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144: All Health Issues Begin in the Leaky Gut – with Dr. Steven Gundry

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Fatigue is Not Your Fate 

Fatigue is one of the most common complaints heard in doctor’s offices across North America, from Atlanta to Vancouver. 

This trend is scary because many doctors report an epidemic of fatigue affecting a disturbing number of millennials. Chronic tiredness is not something that only troubles older people. Folks in their thirties and even twenties struggle with low energy, and they don’t know what to do as their careers – and life – suffer. 

In this episode, Dr. Steven Gundry shares his scientific discoveries that help people get out of their low-energy funk.  

For many years, Dr. Gundry was one of the best heart surgeons in America until his research convinced him to make a dramatic career change (some greedy health professionals might even call it a dumb career move.) He began focusing his cardiac practice on prevention instead of reacting to patient issues with surgery and drugs. 

One example of this shared by Dr. Gundry was his conversion to vitamin therapy. Dr. Gundry would directly insert vitamins into a patient’s artery to help clear the artery if it was clogged. This was, of course, an invasive procedure. Once he dove into researching the benefits of vitamin and mineral supplementation, Dr. Gundry realized his patients could be swallowing those same vitamins long before their arteries clogged up. 

Along the way, Dr. Gundry’s journey led him to the exciting field of the human microbiome. Today, he helps patients use diet and nutrition as a critical component for treating fatigue and all autoimmune disorders like arthritis, psoriasis, lupus, Crohn’s, ulcerative colitis, and others. 


It’s not every day that we get to listen to a top cardiothoracic surgeon who is also a pioneer in nutrition. Dr. Gundry is the medical director at The International Heart and Lung Institute Center for Restorative Medicine. 

He is also the author of multiple New York Times bestsellers, including The Plant Paradox, The Longevity Paradox: How to Die Young at a Ripe Old Age, and his new book The Energy Paradox: What to Do When Your Get-Up-and-Go Has Got Up and Gone. 

Be sure to tune in if you deal with fatigue, exhaustion, brain fog, depression, anxiety, and low metabolism. 


In this podcast, we cover:

  • How one patient opened Dr. Gundry’s eyes to the connection between diet and good health
  • Why so many people today experience chronic fatigue
  • Dr. Gundry’s thoughts on our ability to extend our lifespan 
  • Signs of leaky gut syndrome, why it occurs, and what to do about it
  • What is glyphosate, and why should you avoid it at all costs?
  • Hypertension and diabetes link to leaky gut
  • The health benefits of intermittent fasting
  • Why Dr. Gundry is not a fan of fruit (surprising info)
  • How a typical day looks for Dr. Gundry with his diet, eating habits, and exercise


“It never occurred to me to swallow the dumb things.” 

During the early years of his career as a cardio surgeon, Dr. Gundry was not the epitome of health – he was 75 pounds overweight. His running 30 miles per week and eating a low-fat diet wasn’t making a difference. Dr. Gundry still had high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and insulin resistance. 

One day, a patient arrived in his office that changed Dr. Gundry’s medical destiny. The patient traveled the country, going from doctor to doctor, seeking help for clogged arteries. His initial prognosis was his arteriosclerosis was too far gone. The doctor told this man that he could not do an angiogram or bypass surgery. He was “inoperable.” 

During those six months of seeking a doctor for help, this patient – “Big Ed” – went on a radical diet and started taking a big pile of supplements. 

At first, Dr. Gundry told Big Ed the same thing – “I cannot operate on you.” However, Big Ed was persistent and convinced Dr. Gundry to give him another cardiac catheterization (a video of his heart.) Dr. Gundry agreed to this and was astonished by what he found – Big Ed had cleaned out 50 percent of the original blockages in his arteries! 

In his college thesis, Dr. Gundry realized that Big Ed’s diet was the same diet that Gundry wrote about. And some of the vitamins Big Ed was using were the same vitamins that Dr. Gundry would directly insert into the patient’s veins to unclog them. “It never occurred to me to swallow the dumb things.” 

Putting himself on the same diet and vitamin regime as Big Ed, Dr. Gundry proceeded to lose 50 pounds his first year, then another 20 pounds, and he has kept this weight off for over 20 years. 

“If someone calls me a snake oil salesman, I consider that a high honor.” 

After Dr. Gundry lost all that weight and radically changed his medical practice to focus on diet and supplementation, some people called him crazy. Others called Dr. Gundry a snake oil salesman – an old, derogatory term that essentially means “a quack.” 

Here is what Dr. Gundry says about snake oil accusations. “Some of my critics have called me a snake oil salesman. Now, I take that with the highest honor. Because it turns out that snake oil, unbeknownst to most people, has the highest amounts of omega-3 long-chain fatty acids. Higher than any other oil, including fish oil. Even Scientific American has written an article explaining that snake oil is not snake oil.” 

“Snake oil did work for treating inflammation. Unfortunately, most snake oil salesmen were not selling real, pure snake oil.” 

Now you know the history of the term “snake oil salesman” and why its usage today is not historically accurate – and therefore misused. 

This episode is compelling – full of breakthrough knowledge from an M.D. who opened his mind to new information mid-career. This dramatically shifted his practice to functional medicine – someone who helps patients address root causes, not just use drugs to manage symptoms and recommend surgery whenever possible. 

Dr. Gundry is a different type of heart doctor – perfect for people fed up with allopathic care that leads to nowhere. 

Start feeling better by listening to the wisdom of Dr. Gundry! 


Episode Resources: 

Check out more about Dr. Steven Gundry:
Dr. Gundry’s new book: The Energy Paradox: What to Do When Your Get-Up-and-Go Has Got Up and Gone
Find Dr. Gundry’s wellness products at 
Dr. Steven Gundry on Facebook

Dr. Steven Gundry on Instagram
Dr. Steven Gundry on YouTube

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