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153: These Biohacker Babes Know How to Optimize Your Health – with Lauren Sambataro & Renee Belz

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In this episode, Wade chats with two sisters, Lauren Sambataro and Renee Belz, who grew up in a health-driven family. Their dad was “the original biohacker” and a pioneer in holistic dentistry.  Dr. Sambataro was one of the first dentists in the country to pivot his dental practice away from mercury fillings. 

His influence made a strong impression on Lauren and Renee. Although they like to point out that their upbringing was not too extreme – as kids, they still enjoyed mac-n-cheese and peanut butter sandwiches! But Dr. Sambataro taught his daughters how to be independent minded and question everything a principle sorely needed in this day and age.  

Renee has quite a story: after years of dealing with many health issues – including a long battle with the Epstein-Barr virus – she became fed up with allopathic care and decided to go the functional medicine route to find the root causes of her chronic fatigue and brain fog. So she began doing her research. She has made a miraculous recovery, regaining her health, and is now on a mission to help others do the same. 

Renee became a certified nutritional consultant and a holistic life coach with a master’s degree in Nutrition along her health education journey. 

Lauren is her athletic sister who works as a dancer on Broadway – her last show before the Covid lockdowns were Wicked. In the meantime, Lauren trains clients one-to-one in New York, offering virtual health coaching for anyone anywhere in the world. Her certifications include the CHEK Institute Exercise Coach, Holistic Lifestyle Coach, Functional Diagnostic Nutrition, Pre-Post/Natal Training, and Institute for Functional Health Coaching. 

The Biohacker Babes want you to discover how your unique body functions at its optimal level through their journeys to wellness. 

Come join their world of biohacking in this episode with our host Wade T. Lightheart serving as the tour guide. 

In this podcast, we cover:

  • What it was like for these sisters to grow up in such an unconventional family
  • Renee’s incredible healing journey. (With Epstein-Barr syndrome on the rise, you don’t want to miss this)
  • The common issues Renee and Lauren are seeing with their clients
  • What does the mindset of a successful biohacker look like?
  • Using technology with intuition in their biohacking practice
  • How to keep biohacking fun and interesting
  • The interesting differences between the two sisters who grew up in the same household
  • Some tech tools the babes like to use for biohacking
  • How “the jab” is affecting Lauren’s Broadway career
  • How Lauren and Renee are moving forward in this “new normal”


How their dad’s questioning mindset made them tenacious biohackers

At one point, Wade asks Lauren and Renee to unpack their “questioning mindset.” How did it develop? They know their dad played a big part. But how did this passion for finding answers to their health issues (and not blindly accept conventional medicine) rub off on them? 

Lauren said, “I don’t know. I think it probably leaked into the subconscious. When Renee had her burnout, I had my version of burnout – what they used to call adrenal fatigue. My cortisol was super low. Renee had mononucleosis which turned into Epstein-Barr and chronic fatigue.”

“When you get answers from your doctor like “you’re fine. You’re normal.” That’s not okay. That’s unacceptable. You want to find out more. There are amazing resources available to us now.”

Renee unpacked her journey by saying, “My journey led to burnout. I ended up with chronic fatigue syndrome in my early twenties. My doctors were saying that my labs were normal. Just keep sleeping. You need to sleep more. I was sleeping 13 to 14 hours a night. I ended up with Epstein-Barr, virus, mercury toxicity, HPA axis…I just had to keep searching and putting my puzzle pieces together to figure out what I needed to do. So I started studying nutrition. I graduated with a degree in international business and got my “dream job” and hated it.”

“My dad then asked me, ‘what is your Friday night essence?’” 

And that started the journey to becoming biohacker babes. 

A peek into Renee’s online coaching practice. 

When Renee first began coaching people how to address their health issues using online tools like Zoom or Skype, she described how at first, she would put on nice clothes and try to look “professional” during an online coaching call. 

She also presented herself in a “dry and scientific” way. What is interesting is how Renee noticed her clients would mirror her. Their energy would match her energy. If she were serious, the client would be serious. Over time, she realized her clothing and hair worries were unproductive and unnecessary. 

She began letting herself be silly and brought humor into her coaching sessions. She would be sure to laugh during their talks, and sure enough, the clients then loosen up and laugh as well. Her decision to conduct coaching in a “joyous, positive, lighter way” instead of being so serious made a massive difference in her coaching business – for both her and her clients.  

You can feel the healing energy coming through your audio speakers while listening to this dynamic duo. The Biohacker Babes love helping people overcome the health challenges that conventional medicine casts away – “it’s all in your head,” they say. But Lauren and Renee are persistent forces of nature who do not settle for that. Tune in and hear what biohacking did for these two beautiful souls. 

Check out this episode – the path to feeling better is one tenacious health coach away!  

Episode Resources: 

Check out more of the Biohacker Babes
Biohacker Babes Podcast on Apple Podcasts 
Biohacker Babes on Instagram

Lauren & Renee on YouTube 
Biohacker Babes on Facebook
Renee Belz’s Personal Website
Lauren Sambataro’s Personal Website
Renee Belz on Instagram
Lauren Sambataro on Instagram

Read The Episode Transcript:

Wade Lightheart: Good morning. Good afternoon. And good evening. It's waiting to you. Lightheart from BiOptimizers with another edition of the Awesome Health Podcast. And today I am super pumped because we've got biohacking for women, how we can combine free biohacks from nature with the latest gadgets and technology do optimize women's health. Also, why it's helpful to take advantage of data when putting together a personalized health optimization plan. And our guests today are known as the Biohacker Babes. And I don't know if that's going to get me in some kind of me too movement trouble, but that's what they call themselves. And I'm just reading from the script. So shoot me now, folks. That's way let's talk about Lauren and Renee, who are sisters. They grew up in a health driven family that prioritize the fundamentals of wellness and self-care their father, Jean Sam Arturo, the original bio-hacker and pioneer of holistic dentistry taught them the importance of individualization and experimentation from a very young age, coming together as health entrepreneurs, Renee, a certified nutritional consultant and holistic lifestyle coach with a master's degree in nutrition and Lauren, a Broadway performer, corrective exercise specialist and functional health coach feel a strong passion and drive to not only share each other's journeys towards wellness, but their strategy and motivation to discover our unique bodies through the world of biohacking, their podcasts, the biohacker babes aims to create insight into the body's natural healing abilities, how to strengthen your intuition and empower you with techniques and modalities to optimize your health and wellness.

 Wade Lightheart: Ladies, welcome to the show.

 Biohacker Babes: I got an introduction. Your energy is just like flying through the screen. It's almost five o'clock here on I'm on the east coast and I, you just energized me times a thousand. So thank you so much. Thank you for having

 Wade Lightheart: Us. Yes, it's the 20 years of enzymes. I've been pumping into my system that increases my electrical energy. That

 Biohacker Babes: Is a Testament. I love it. I love my enzymes. I got them flowing today. I was just growing

 Wade Lightheart: Up in the wrong place and it just was loud and just got myself in all sorts of trouble and found myself in this. But Hey, Chris, great to have you on the podcast. I've been waiting for this for a while. I'm really excited. Anytime that a guy like me can interview a couple of babes, biohacking babes, especially, it's always a great thing. Maybe you ladies would be willing to share a little bit. Like what was it like growing up, you know, kind of under the shadow of somebody in the holistic dentistry. So there's a couple things. One you're getting integrated with a bunch of things that everybody thinks you're crazy. Number two, you got to develop them, kind of move into the world. And then three, you got to kind of carve out your own path, both as individuals, but also that, you know, getting out from under the parents. What was that like?

 Biohacker Babes: Well, it's so interesting. Always listening to the bio being read in front of us because I don't want anyone to think that we were privileged in a way that we kind of had all the answers, the idea behind following our dad and learning from him was that we learned from a very young age to not take no for an answer. And to always question to continually question and to expand your health journey, maybe take like a wider perspective. And I think that's so present in this day and age when we're just like inundated with so much information, data opinions, and it's really hard to know which direction to turn and how to find your own I guess, puzzle put together your own puzzle pieces. So we learned very early on that questioning and using discernment is just such a powerful tool to get there.

 Biohacker Babes: And that helped us. I think it sort of set us on our own paths of discovery and it's, you know, the path is still moving. He will, I don't think it will ever come to an end, but that has just always stuck with us. And, you know, our dad was doing weird things in our living room when we were kids, like he had a pimp machine before anybody else knew about it. He had a low level laser and yeah, it was like the weird family, but it was a perspective it's like, okay, there's, there's more than, you know, well, there wasn't Google then, but more than what we were starting in magazines at Barnes and noble

 Wade Lightheart: That's Lauren's perspective, Renee, what was it like

 Biohacker Babes: For you? Yeah. I mean, I, I agree with all the same thing. I think to take a step back, I would love to share our dad's story of how he even got into this. Cause I think this is such a powerful story of how we even got where we are today. So in 1985, our dad was still practicing traditional dentistry. He was placing mercury fillings. He was doing root canals, fluoride treatments, all, all the normal things. And his best friend of like 40 years was diagnosed with stage four melanoma. And he was given three to six months to live. They said, go home, get everything in order. We're sorry, we can't even treat your cancer. And this like tough Italian guy said, screw, you went to California. This is from Maryland. At the time, flew out to California, found this alternative holistic clinic. And the first thing they did when he walked in and they said, open your mouth, all the metal in your mouth has to come out before we can treat your cancer.

 Biohacker Babes: And he's like, what does that have to do with my cancer? Right? So he flies home. He tells my dad a dentist and my dad says, yeah, what does that have to do with anything what's wrong with those silver fillings? But our dad being so open-minded started searching. And like Lauren said, there was no Google there wasn't internet. He started asking around finding books, like found Weston, a price, his research on root canals and Dr. Hal Huggins in Colorado and just didn't stop searching for answers. And he finally learned the toxicity of mercury and it changed his whole practice in 1986. He became what we now call biological dentistry and never looked back. But I think so we learned at a young age to never stop questioning things. And I think especially in 2021, that's really important. I think people aren't questioning things enough. Like you need to know the facts, you need to know both sides. You need to keep asking the questions. Anyway, so that's the story of, of our dad. So we kind of grew up with that and we always joke, you know, we had plenty of pizza hut nights and whatever as kids. So I agree. Just eating whatever, but yeah. And then we both, oh yeah, there was a little bit of a tofu craze, I think at one point.

 Biohacker Babes: Yeah, but I mean, he was a great influence our mom as well, just being more holistic minded and having access to like an infrared sauna in high school was pretty, pretty amazing. And then we both went off to college and kind of forgot a lot of what we learned, I think, and I know I personally trashed my body a little bit and ended up having a complete burnout period in my early twenties. And of course, I'm going back to mom and dad and I'm like, what do I do? And they were great resources to, to kind of kick off my journey back to health.

 Wade Lightheart: It's, it's amazing how many people in the holistic health industry had a influence at some point in their life early, early on, or, or usually around a crisis within their health, from someone who had gone outside the normal channels for answers and in two to two really good questions. But I think you have to be willing to accept that just because someone has a bunch of credentials next to them doesn't mean that they know everything or just because someone's really smart. They can only know what they've studied and what they don't know is what they don't know. We have a culture that I think is becoming more and more dependent on specialized authority who are so niche defied, they're not generalists. And biohacking to me is a more generalist approach, which was similar to our earlier ancestors, the founders of this company country who were country, who were essentially, they were polymath. I mean, you look at these folks, they were farmers, they were astrologers and, and they were writers and they were engineers essentially. You know, like, like every person, man women had, like, you had to be extremely creative. You had to learn a lot of different fields. There wasn't a whole bunch of information available to you. Like they have today. And today we have this wealth of information, but I've said I've never seen so many people who know so little about so much.

 Biohacker Babes: Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Was

 Wade Lightheart: This questioning mindset that led you on this path? Was that something that you had, it was just in you, was it learned or did you kind of, you know, question, maybe your parents go off on your own and kind of crash and burn it like, wow. Maybe they knew something like, what was that like?

 Biohacker Babes: I don't know. I think it probably leaked into the subconscious a little bit. And when Renee had her burnout, I had my version of burnout and burnout was like so I had what they used to call adrenal fatigue. A cortisol was super low. Renee had mano, which turned into Epstein BARR, chronic fatigue. And you know, when you get answers from doctors that you're fine. You're normal. I think when you check back in with your symptoms, from our background, it was like, that's not okay. And so it's like, you're not going to just accept that. There's no acceptance. You want more, you want to find out more and it is amazing the resources that are available to us now. And yes, we're inundated with way too much, but I think that's why it's part of our practice and what we do with our health coaching is trying to develop a practice intuition because you have to have a grounding piece that pulls you back to your own inner knowing and be able to sort through the information and trust yourself more than you can trust anyone else out there because yeah, you never know an expert could be called an expert, but how do you know that they're really going to take this holistic view and, and see the 30,000 foot view.

 Biohacker Babes: And there's just so many pieces you can miss. So it was just constantly zooming out, I think. So

 Wade Lightheart: When did this become, you know, your own journey, kind of moving through your own health challenges? When did this become a career for you guys? Or when did you, when did you say, Hey, you know what, let's become the biohacking vague? Like what, like what, what, like, how did you jump from, Hey, I'm suffering from this condition and I'm not accepting what this so-called expert is telling me. I'm going to go off and do my own research or find the appropriate people who can tell me something and get me into a place of awesomeness. What, when did, what was that journey like? Renee

 Biohacker Babes: Has a good answer. I mean, my, my journey, I mean, yeah, with the burnout, you know, I ended up with chronic fatigue syndrome in my early twenties. And the doctors that I went to said, your labs are normal. Just keep sleeping. You just need more sleep. I was sleeping 13, 14 hours a night using my intuition. I'm going to say, that's probably not the answer. So, you know, I kept searching. I kept, you know, it ended up being like Lauren said, Epstein, BARR, virus, mercury toxicity, HPA axis, dysfunction. And instead of being so many things and I just had to keep searching and putting my puzzle pieces together to figure out what I needed to do. And in the meantime, I started studying nutrition to help myself. And it was just interesting to me. I, my undergrad was international business. I graduated, I got my dream job. I hated it. My dream job in quotes. I hated it. And so my dad said, well, what, what is your Friday night essence?

 Biohacker Babes: Yeah. And I, and I'm like, well, I read nutrition books. That's what I do for fun. Like in my spare time, I read nutrition books. He says, that's what you need to do. So I went back, I got my master's in nutrition, but we know nutrition is just the beginning. Right. Then I started learning about all the other things, sleep and exercise, stress management, all the fun biohacks there's just so much more. And so once I graduated, I started working with clients. One-On-One similar to Lauren. We both were just working, doing our own thing, working for doctors, running our own businesses. And then three years ago, we said, we are so lucky that we're sisters. And we come from a family that loves optimal health and wellness. Why aren't we doing something together? She's in New York, I'm in Vegas. There's, you know, everything's virtual. So why not? And we said, let's do a podcast. That was the original idea. Let's do a podcast to help people because you know, when you're working with clients, one-on-one, there's only so many hours in the day and it's exhausting. And we said a podcast, we can reach people all around the world and help educate people for free, for free. And so we teamed up three years ago and never really looked back. It's been a great adventure so

 Wade Lightheart: Far. That's really cool. What would you say are some of the common issues that your clients are coming to you with and who would you say are your clients? And what's that conversation? Like?

 Biohacker Babes: I love that question. I seem to attract clients that are looking for whatever I am also looking for. And so that has kind of changed and evolved through years. And recently I've been attracting women that are approaching menopause that have weight loss resistance. And I do a lot of functional diagnostic labs and so work with a lot of numbers trying to correlate symptoms with, with data. But I'm finding that the missing piece is the mindset. All of these women tend to be mothers. You know, they're trying to do everything and our patriarchal society, they feel a responsibility. And there's a lot of, not a lot of stillness. So I find there's distractions everywhere. And this is really on my mind today because I'm doing a microdosing coaching course right now to learn how to bring that into my practice. And I also had some clients this morning and I was like, oh my gosh, everyone is distracted, constantly distracted.

 Biohacker Babes: I'm like, how are you doing? And the answer is, oh, well my daughter, this, my friend, this I'm like, no, you, and it's almost this like default mode network choice to focus on everything outside of themselves. And we know you have to bring it internal. That's the holistic approach. I mean, you have to look at your energetic body or your spiritual body and you can't fix that with labs and supplements. So there's this whole mindset piece that I think is we're starting to get more awareness around it. It's just a, such a huge Testament to like, we have to take that larger approach.

 Wade Lightheart: Yeah. It's an awesome is an acronym and M stands for mental beliefs and attitudes, which could be at the first of the awesome acronym, but then it would be Maso and would be all messed up. It doesn't ring as much. Yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't. So it's interesting. Cause I, I think you agree, I would agree that when I see a lot of people and the good news is when they come to you, they've usually got to the position, somewhat position at they need help. Right. Something's not working. But you brought up something that I think is not spoken about a lot when it comes to bikes. Now there's one group of people that just want to buy their way out of the situation. What do I need to buy? What do I need to get? What device, what machine, what pills, what, like, give it to me now, send it to me, have my assistance, ship that over. And I should be better by next week because I need to go to Europe. Yeah. Yeah. That's easy.

 Biohacker Babes: I've got to go on vacation. Got to drop 10 pounds. Yeah, exactly.

 Wade Lightheart: They're trying to buy their way out of a lifestyle. That's got them into trouble. Then there's another group that are trying to deny themselves out of the lifestyle that got them out of

 Speaker 3: Trouble. And

 Wade Lightheart: Ideally those are kind of opposing aspects of a dysfunctional mindset in their approach to life. How do you guys address the mindset of health transformation or health optimization or steering the ship out of that? And do you have that conversation early on? Is it something that comes up or does it vary from person to person like to hear both of you on this one?

 Biohacker Babes: Yeah. well, I have to say that over the years, the type of client I've worked with, it's changed, it's evolved. I used to work with a lot of very, very sick patients, a lot of Lyme disease, cancer, dementia. And with those people, the mindset something that's always stuck with me. I heard from Dr. Bob Marshall, he was one of my first teachers. And he said, you always want to start a consult with, when did you decide to get sick?

 Speaker 4: Ooh, that's a great question.

 Biohacker Babes: Gotcha. It's a tough one to ask, but with a lot of those patients that had those debilitating illnesses, that an important piece, because there was usually something that triggered that final thing, like you've, you know, you don't just get cancer overnight. Right. It's a lot of things building up and then something maybe flips the switch. So I think with those people, it was that idea. When did you decide to get sick and, and kind of approaching it that way? But now I actually work a lot more with, on the other side of the spectrum, almost like biohackers looking to optimize. So they are, they're pretty healthy overall, but they're looking for that next level. And to be honest, I don't really have that mindset conversation with them a lot. Right. I don't know if that's a missing piece or not, but they're, they seem mentally like ready, like any recommendation I make they're there on it.

 Biohacker Babes: And they're a little bit more open-minded, but I think there's a little more urgency there. Yeah. How about you Lauren? Whether you find it really does vary from person to person. Usually, you know, the first consult is just let's see what kind of settles to the bottom. If I see that they're presenting with all of these distractions, then I'll, I will come right back and kind of question that something I learned from Paul check I'm a check practitioner is you have to find out what their dream is. And so that's usually a big question in our first chat. What is your dream? What is your, like, what are you trying to move towards? What is your purpose? And a lot of people cannot answer that question because they're just so stuck in the day-to-day. And the responsibilities that you do is like checking off all the things on the calendar and that dream always pulls you back.

 Biohacker Babes: It's like a, it's a, it's a check. You're like, ah, I really, I have to pause and it stumps a lot of people, but I think it just gets you in that mindset where you do start questioning you are just a little bit more aware of how your choices, your inputs are settling in, in your body because we know the body keeps score. Your cells are listening. Your thoughts are informing everything that the body does. And I think it always shows up in different ways with people, but the conversation has to happen in some way.

 Wade Lightheart: Yeah. Yeah. Paul's a good friend of mine and we get to spend a little time with him down in his new place. We've been down to his new, his new facility. It's not that

 Biohacker Babes: And I need to, is it nice?

 Wade Lightheart: Good. It's really good angle. He's working on a new book right now. So as soon as he's complete that, I'm going to go down for a little visit, but he's he's certainly one of the great masters in this field in a variety. He's a real polymath as well. Super gifted in a lot of different areas, quite phenomenal, and an influence what influences have. And I, and I would say Paul's probably one of the big ones for dialing in with your intuition over just tech only because tech is obviously a big driving force in the biohacking movement. But how do you guys use technology in combination with intuition? I have my own method, but I'm interested in how you guys do it because I'm curious, because I think this is where the magic happens. Yeah.

 Biohacker Babes: I, we both love numbers. We have a family group thread, cause we all have aura rings. And so almost every day we're, we're posting our recovery scores, we're discussing it. And you know, we all go through periods where those numbers can be stressful when they can sort of like damp in your spirit and your energy. So I think for Renee and I, it's, it's building a practice where before you check your data, you're checking in with your own body. And there's some days if I'm on vacation, I'm like, I'm not going to check it cause that's not going to serve me. And we know these things are new on the market. They're not accurate. There are, they really are just serving as a guide. So I think it's really important to just ask, is it serving you are those numbers actually informing your day to move you towards more positive choices?

 Biohacker Babes: And if not, then like scrap them. I also think they should be. Short-Term like, we should not be beholden to technology forever. It's a learning tool. And then we have to match it with our sense of inner knowing. And we were talking about this earlier. It's like, once you build that intuition, then you don't need it. It's like your body just tells you. It's like, it's a yes or a no this much, not so much over here. So yeah, it's a process. Is that, is that, is that the same for you, Renee? I, yeah. I think using, using the devices to learn as much as you can to then not need them later on I can't say I'm ever going to take my aura ring off. I, I do love it, the data and yeah, it's just, I mean, it's easy, it's easy, but I can wake up and guess what my readiness and sleep score probably going to be before I even plug it in because I've been wearing it for three years now.

 Biohacker Babes: I almost wish that some of the devices on the market, you could just rent them for a couple of months. I think that's one reason why I really liked the leaf device because you can rent it every, every four weeks you can decide, do you want to keep it? Do you want to send it back? Like I used it for eight weeks. I learned everything I could about controlling my heart rate, variability through breath work, and then I sent it back. Like, I think that'd be great if we could do that for every bio-hacking device, you decide, do I want to keep it? Because now I have a drawer full of things that I've tried and I don't really feel the need to use anymore. But you do get that. There's a, there's a business

 Wade Lightheart: Idea out there. Entrepreneurial work, people get a file hacking leasing company for short-term rentals of biohacking device. Yeah. That is a great

 Biohacker Babes: Idea. Oh, hurry. We're going to do it now. When is this episode coming out? Yeah, we'll delay it a few days. No, wait, I'm curious to hear your answer. Well,

 Wade Lightheart: You I'm both blessed and cursed in the same way. It depends how you look at it. So when I was 15, I was removed from normal life and living almost an ashram existence, five miles to my nearest neighbor, up a dirt road, telephone poles under my door, literally had to drive a snowmobile out to the road, take an hour bus ride to school, you know, like, you know, it was basically, it was living on the frontier kind of thing. And I wasn't happy about that. However, with the lack of stimulation, it forced me to become highly observational. And I started working out in, literally in my barn and I would train before, oh, I'd be training in a snowmobile. Stove would freeze my hands at the bar. I built my own equipment. And and inside of that, I began to learn what bill Pearl, the famous Mr. Universe competitors said, or champion said the keys to the inner universe. There was a process. And what's interesting is years later when I got into Eastern philosophy, the fee I started studying yeah. Yogananda's work and getting into meditation and yeah. All of that,

 Speaker 4: The potential

 Wade Lightheart: Is eightfold path is, you know, most people think of yoga as hot out the breathwork, but there's yum on the, of the moral and ethical codes of living. Otherwise you don't get it. Then, then there's, you know, a sauna and [inaudible], they're on at the Yana, all of these kinds of things in which is the process of interior realization and then concentration observation, and eventually samadhi you kind of, you know, you, you get that's the shortened westernized version of that process. And bodybuilding became my yoga and it has been practiced in  India for many, many centers. It was one of the pathways if yoga, that most people aren't aware. And what's fascinating about that is ended up competing at the Mr universe of years later in India, which was ironic in itself and spent some time living in smash rooms. And I started to realize guys, the rigidity of bodybuilding life kind of monitored or mirrored, the rigid of aesthetic aesthetic life in Nash room type, they were very concordance to each other.

 Wade Lightheart: And I was like, yeah, oh, that's interesting. And as I was able to, to strip down my life through the restrictive practices that are required for success as a competitor, you become hyper aware and hyper tuned to what's going on in your body. And what I realized it wasn't about the externalization expression of physical percent perfection. That was, that's what bodybuilding, as you're trying to sculpt out like an artist and chisel out, you know, proportions. And I studied Greek architecture and looked at the golden ratio and would put the muscle. So they would each go, which is on the Fibonacci sequence. And that's what we determined as aesthetic ideas. And I studied the national champions for years and started working. That's how I went about it. Wow. And that was an introduction by Vince Kuranda, former Hollywood trainer. And so what is often seen as kind of a narcissistic pursuit and certainly is for a lot of people never was, for me, it was, it was, it was this inner journey and this inner artistic endeavor, which came together in its completion when I found Eastern philosophy.

 Wade Lightheart: So these are things that made sense within it, but didn't, there was no Western kind of idealized until I discovered that you know, the works of Yogananda father of yoga in the west and et cetera, et cetera. So from that point, what was interesting is my career in the fitness industry kind of expanded because my business partner, who was an internet guy and I'm going to come full circle here, five years younger than me integrated into digital technology. Since a kid, very tech oriented loves data, loves information, loves systems, love expansion, and these concepts. And when I came back from India, he's like, dude, we were both personal trainers, completely different philosophies of how we approach fitness. He's tech, data driven. I'm intuitive, mystic Yogi guy. I come back, I'd given up all my possessions. I would came back, live in this little apartment and we met and he's like, Hey dude, we know we need to sell you. You need to write a course. You're a vegetarian bodybuilding champion. You know, we went to the Mr. Universe. We, we can make money online. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

 Wade Lightheart: The online 2000 and late 2003 to early 2004, he was like, no, I'm making money online. We can, we can sell courses online and educate people. When I was really into educating people. I, that was what my, one of my big passions. So he says, I said, well, I can write the book. And of course, if you can sell it online, we started the company for 200 bucks and now it's 18 years later and we're one of the premier biohacking companies in the world. So it's, and there's a lot of, there's a lot of stuff in there, but what's interesting is healed data. He loves devices and he, yeah, he has a philosophy where he goes data shapes, destiny. And my philosophy is where the mind goes. The body

 Speaker 3: Will. So I love it.

 Wade Lightheart: Fourth. And, and, and what's interesting is I believe in exactly what you suggest is that if you're not so intuitively driven than data becomes a great con association to, to recognize what you're feeling intuitive. If you're intuitively driven, you're going to need the data to support your kind of mystical sell for people are going, you're just a whack of doodle. Right? What do you mean? You can feel that mineral when it goes in your body? Well, I can,

 Biohacker Babes: I think that's the highest power that's right. I think it's great.

 Wade Lightheart: We all have capabilities of it, but you'll sit there and say, no, you know what? I, I don't, I just wake up and sense what's going on. I do my energization, I got a little blockage. There are going to work that out and might, you know, feel this thing that's going on. Like, you know what I mean? Like that's my world. And he's like, yeah, look, we're looking at your sleep score, you know, your HRVs off, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know? So it's, it's, it's, it was, it was really fun. It's really fun to go back and forth and ping pong.

 Biohacker Babes: Yeah. The combination is so helpful.

 Wade Lightheart: It is. And that's, I think one of the reasons why we've been successful is we don't see each other as competitors, or as, even though we have, we like, he's a ketogenic guy, I'm a plant-based guy. And in run a company, the other, like we're agnostic about all these things. It's about how do you come to what's right for you. And not, there's a lot of components to that, which change as we go. And we'd like to be flexible. We've had our debates for certain and some of them still open-ended after 20 plus years. I'm curious for you guys, do you see a variance in the age groups that you're dealing with? What they're more comfortable with data or intuition, and do you see a variance between women versus men? That's what I'm curious about.

 Biohacker Babes: I see that the longer that you go in your life without tapping into the intuition, the harder than it is, people get more and more distractions, more outside of their body. So it is kind of hard to bring people back. And I think it's so incredible that you have that intuition, but it's not something that you can just hand someone it's like the longer you've been stuck in that state, the longer it's going to take to unwind it, the longer you've been doing unhealthy practices, the longer it's going to be to unwind that. So a huge amount of patients, but men versus women, I'm not sure I have an answer for that. Do you? And I, I don't, I can't say I see a difference. It's really, really, really different. I just, I find that women are a little bit more in their heads trying to do the correct thing.

 Biohacker Babes: And I think whenever we're trying to do the quote unquote correct thing that just takes us outside of ourselves, there is no right or wrong. It's, what's what, like you said, it's, what's right for you. And no one can tell you that when I work with clients, they're like waiting for me to tell them, I'm like, that's going to take awhile. It's going to take a, we're going to have to play. We're going to have to experiment. We're going to have to reassess. This could be a six month process before I really know what's going to work for you. And you have to be there with me. It's gotta be 50 50. We have to have feedback. Just like you have with your partner. We have to have that balanced to really put this together because I decided so many people are out of their bodies in that way.

 Biohacker Babes: Yeah. But I think that's where the data is really helpful too, as a practitioner, because, you know, years ago we were just going based off of how a client felt and their food journal. But now I can log into, you know, like heads up health and I can see their aura data, their sleep data, their HRV, their macros. I can see everything without even picking up the phone. And so it's easy because then I can be like, okay, their sleep score was this last night. And then I messaged them. What did you do yesterday? You know? And so like having that extra, what did you drink last night? So just being able to like jump on it a little bit earlier as a practitioner, I think is so helpful. But you're right. That intuition, it just takes time. Like, you know, people ask how I got to where I am as far as figuring out what to eat.

 Biohacker Babes: And I'm like, I don't have a magic pill. It just took time, but I can literally walk into the kitchen and be like, I need protein. I need a salad. Like, I can feel it in my body, but you can't, you can't teach that to people. It just takes time. Yeah. And I felt that too, but what I have not been able to intuitively feel without data is my response on my glucose monitor. My CGM has just been like wildly empowering because I used to think, oh, I have low blood sugar. I have to eat every three hours. I'm getting agitated. And when I looked at the data, I was like, whoa, that is not true. What I thought wasn't intuitive practice was a little bit off the mark. And so then we adjust, we dial in. So I'm actually curious if you played with that and if you found any discrepancy, because that's the one thing I'm like, I definitely did not have an inner knowing about that. I've been really lucky.

 Wade Lightheart: For whatever reason, it was not that long ago. I remember doing my genetic, we went into deep dive in my epigenetics. So for those who start, this is like total deep biohacking. I love it. One would think considering that my virtually all my genes come from Nora Northern Europe, that this guy is going to thrive on a meat-based diet and all this sort of stuff. And I haven't, I I've done great on plants for 20 years and, and I've cultivated a practice around what I eat and what I don't eat and what I feel and all this sort of stuff. And then, but then there's a generalized program now, right now it's a unique time because I'm on a card, like a died as I'm approaching 50, I'm doing this, see how close I can get to a contest conditioning at 50. But when we cross correlated for the mutations in my genetics or potential mutations, number one, my, a genetics expert, Katrine Valinski who does all of our work in-house in our company for our high-end clients. She's really smart lady. I was actually, my diet was imperfect Unizin for counteracting possum mutations. And I had almost

 Speaker 3: Vivid

 Wade Lightheart: Amount of mutation she's have ever seen, you know, I had, no, I had no deadlines. I had no none of that stuff was revealed. And, but these were, this is just something I discovered since I was 15. Now that to come to collaborate with what you said, this was something I developed and made all of the mistakes possible in, you know, the 30 plus years getting to that point. Yeah. You kind of have to. And so sometimes, sometimes you find out through burnout or blow out or max out and all of the things in blue and I'm an extreme person by nature. So you know, I, I like, well, let's take it to the red line and see what happens, you know, and we'll find out the car and, and see if it comes back together,

 Speaker 3: You think

 Speaker 4: Makes, or

 Wade Lightheart: What, what do you feel is the key elements that allows someone to successfully go from where they're at to, you know, optimizing their, their health in a way that leads them into the, into their dream

 Speaker 4: State that you might say, or their ideal.

 Wade Lightheart: However you want to quote that, I'd be curious to see what you say. Cause I think this is, we talked so much about data and information or these tests or things, but going back to this mindset piece, what, what is, what is the mindset of a successful biohacker do you think? Or someone who might not be a biohacker and becomes one as they transform their health?

 Biohacker Babes: I think being open-minded go ahead, Renee. I know you had a no. Well, that's great. I was just going to say, I think even before maybe mindset, just, we always talk about starting with the basics. You know, some people are never going to get to the biohacking. Maybe that the three of us are doing. That's just not their interests, not their goal. So we always say, why are you doing the basics? Are you getting out in the sunshine? Are you putting, yeah, you're putting your feet on the grass at least once a day, are you walking your 10,000 steps or whatever your goal is, are you moving intelligently? Lauren talks about intelligent exercise a lot. Are you sleeping? You know, are you doing all the basics? If not, then maybe don't even worry about buying all these data fun tech things and doing lab testing.

 Biohacker Babes: I think mindset falls in there as well, but I think it's just different for everyone depending on where they're starting. Yeah, I think it, I mean, we have to have some kind of stillness, so we get that feedback from ourselves. So creating space to allow the answers to come. But I think most coaches would say this, like, you have to take one step at a time. You have to meet the client where they are. And I just heard something where it's like this 4% sweet spot of discomfort. And if you push someone past that 4%, it can have this rebound effect, which actually is not advantageous to growth. So it's meeting them where they are at and pushing them. It's like that hormetic stressors, like just a little bit of stress. So we get that adaptation in the right direction and that percentage or, well, this 4%, but that amount or what it is, is different for everyone. So it's this very delicate listening. Reassessing co it's, like that process never ends. I think you kind of mentioned this earlier way. Like we change, like what, what I eat today is maybe not. What's going to serve me a year from now five years from now. If we stop listening ever, I think that's when the problems arise. So just creating space for the answers to come well, James

 Wade Lightheart: Claire's atomic habits is kind of along the alignment of that. And there's different people that, like you said, have a different, what that 4% is, is different from person to person or variants. I know for Matt we talk about this a lot. He's,

 Speaker 4: He's very

 Wade Lightheart: Much into that incremental side of things and I'm probably a little bit more brutal.

 Biohacker Babes: You are the anomaly. I think we probably are in that category too. Some people are ready for it.

 Wade Lightheart:
 You know, someone when someone gives me the gears and just hammers me, I, I think maybe my ego structure needs a good beat down

 Speaker 3: In order for me to have a degenerate

 Wade Lightheart: Bioh, but it's some people call me stubborn. I just say, I'm focused on what I want, but you have to take that as well. You sound incredibly

 Biohacker Babes: Open-Minded to just whatever's in the com.

 Wade Lightheart: Well, I, I do love that. Which, how would you define open-minded? Both as, maybe as a way of life and also as a way of, you know, integrating into a biohacking lifestyle.

 Biohacker Babes: I mean, I think as far as biohacking and open-mindedness, I think literally just being open-minded to the fact that one biohack could work for you and it could not work for someone else and just be willing to try. I mean, obviously I don't want to spend, you know, a million dollars trying everything, but being willing to try, well, that's our dad, that's our dad. Literally every time I go to buy a piece of biohacking tech, I call my dad first and say, do you already have this? Are you using it? Because if not, can I try it? But just everyone is different. I mean, Lauren and I were sisters, and it's amazing what we have learned as far as differences. I mean, as far as diet, what biohacks work, what don't work. And then also just in life, I think we need to be more, open-minded now more than ever. And I think we're going the wrong direction as a society. I literally had a friend the other day say the very hot, hot debate that's going on right now. I won't say what it is, but she said, Renee, I can't even talk to you about it. Oh, talk to you about it.

 Speaker 3: That's a problem. And I'm like, why can't we talk about it? Why can't we talk about it, all this sort of stuff

 Wade Lightheart: Here. Right. You know, I call it the jab. I think that's okay. The

 Biohacker Babes: Job. Okay. Yeah. Well, why can't we talk about it? I'm not going to get angry at how you feel, what your beliefs are. Let's I want to hear what science you have found, what you're reading. I'm going to show what science I have found we can learn from each other. We can absolutely learn from each other just by being open-minded. It's a hard thing to teach though. We'll never get anywhere. If we all agree, Lauren has, how's it. How do you see open-mindedness? I think releasing expectations is a big one. For me. Some people, you know, you put a task in front of them and actionable item and they've already attached what they think the outcome is going to be. So, I mean, there are a zillion examples. I think it's just releasing all expectations and creating that space for stillness so that you can find your own outcome.

 Biohacker Babes: Because I think if your mind tells you, I'm going to sit in front of this red light, I'm not going to feel anything. I'm going to be bored. It's exactly what's going to happen. If you get on the amp coil and you're like Hocus Pocus, this pemphigus sound vibration. I don't feel it. You're never gonna feel it. Never gonna feel it. That's again, like your thoughts are instructing instructing yourselves and your entire body. So I think it's magical to just, you know, embrace the possibility and expect miracles. I don't think enough of us expect miracles

 Wade Lightheart: Agreed and what could be more miraculous than shooting through space at a million and a half miles spinning around the galaxy 500,000 miles an hour rotating at 24,000 mile. Like, you know, like liquid, like w crazy far out, like there's like this little chunk of dirt and water at one end of the boring little star system on some edge of some, you know, boring galaxy flying through space. Yeah. That's pretty awesome. You know, it was pretty like the fact that there is life and we're experienced this cognition, then we got technology on top of it. And you go out and just look at a flower or watch a, like a bee fly. And you know, these are, these are pretty awesome things, you know, and I think cultivating the childlike curiosity is, is, is, is, is, and, and making things fun and exciting.

 Wade Lightheart: I'm looking at an education system right now for kids, because it's been something I've been on my mind for a long time. And I, I, I was very frustrated with education in that they took the fun out of learning. And I think that fun should be infused with I don't think fun in education and learning should be separated. And one of the things that I find that's really interesting about biohacking events, I've got another one coming up tomorrow. Well, this'll be already done, but we got these it's called wake up, wake up various city. So wake up orange county, I just took over wake up Los Angeles. It's going to be a biohacking event here in LA, where we get biohackers together. And what's really interesting is the energy, excitement, enthusiasm that people are carrying. And it reminds me of that childlike fun. How do you inspire that? Cause it's, obviously you guys are both really switched on in this world and grew up in an environment. How do you inspire that with your clients and the people that you work with?

 Biohacker Babes: I just hope that by living and breathing it myself, I'm inspiring people. And in my husband says to me all the time, he's like, how do you just keep learning? Yeah, I'm always, I always have a book out. I always have a podcast going a YouTube video. Like it, I'm so excited to keep learning more about health. And my husband's like, I dunno how you just keep doing it, but it's just like this inner passion. I just like have to, I have to do it. I it's what like makes me feel alive, but to help others find that, I don't know. I just hope that just being a role model for it. I think when people see those of us that are, we have good energy all day, we're happy. We're bright. Hopefully that just instills something in them to want to follow suit.

 Biohacker Babes: But I get that the average person doesn't want to pick up a nutrition book and sit down and read it, cover to cover. But like Lauren said, if we were all the same, the world would be pretty boring. And one thing that we do as the biohacker babes is we try and weed through all the information we take in all the information we sift through it and then try to almost like regurgitate the cliff notes for people. So even if they're not as passionate as we are, that's okay. Spend 40 minutes a week to just learn a little bit to optimize your health. And maybe that will encourage them to want to learn more over time. Yeah, I think to tag onto that inspiration factor, I've noticed that as a health coach and I'm doing all virtual now, I used to feel like to get on zoom and do a session I had to put on nice clothes and, you know, look like a professional.

 Biohacker Babes: And it was very dry and very scientific and educational. And I found that my energy was matched by my clients. So they would be very serious. And I noticed over time when I, you know, released my clothing expectations and let my hair be whatever, and kind of let myself be silly and made sure to laugh that they would also respond in that way. And I think no matter what we're talking about, it gets that information gets infused in a totally different way. So I know that could be really small scale, but it's like, then you can expect miracles. You're like, what's going to happen because you just infused or you, you put all these inputs in, at a joyous, positive, lighter way, rather than a nutrition serious. It's hard, it's challenging. It doesn't have to be.

 Wade Lightheart: I think the patch Adams approach to health is a great thing. And the data for those data driven people on humor and fun and joy and happiness and laughing is extraordinary for our immune system response and overall general health.

 Biohacker Babes: The gentleman, norm norm something who cured his cancer with laughter

 Wade Lightheart: Laughter just turned on comedy everyday and laughed his way to help. You know, sometimes, you know, I always say genius runs to simplicity. And I think that was an Einstein quote. And I think it was 

 Speaker 4: I forget which

 Wade Lightheart: One it was, is that perfection is when there's nothing left to take away and the famous inventor, 15, 15 hundreds DaVinci. And so to refine one's process as, as a biohacking, when we have this host of choices, kind of leads me to the next questions, what are the dues and musts and don'ts of your individual routines. And maybe you can kind of share that with our listeners as well as where the differences might be between both of you, even though that you're sisters and living in this world is you don't have the same
 Speaker 4:

 Biohacker Babes: Yeah. I mean, I would say my top priority every day asleep, I just know everything is better when I sleep well. I'm a nine hour, well, nine hours

 Wade Lightheart: In bed. Did you do that? Did, did, did you do the chronotype thing? Yep. I'm a bear. I was going to guess I was going to get her and Lauren is a dolphin.

 Biohacker Babes: So that's one way we definitely are different. How many hours are free

 Wade Lightheart: Out of the dolphin? How much does the dolphin sleep?

 Biohacker Babes: I'm about seven 30. I'm actually not sure if that's exactly what they say for dolphin, but I'm definitely one eye open. I'm a lion. So I get up

 Wade Lightheart: Go hunt.

 Biohacker Babes: I, somebody has got to do that.

 Speaker 3: What else?

 Biohacker Babes: Yeah. yeah, so I would say I always prioritize sleep, but just, it helps me think about her. I eat better. I can hit it harder in the gym. It's just like this cycle that just runs off of me getting a really good night's sleep. I'm also really big on meditation and I, yes. So I am a tech girl when it comes to meditation. I think everyone knows meditation is beneficial. Right? That's not even like up for discussion. We all know it. Yes. But I've, I used to think on the bad meditator, I can't turn off my brain right now. We know that's not true. I fall asleep. Get in trouble. Yeah. So, no, I, I really love the brain tap device. That is just one. I've done a lot

 Wade Lightheart: For the world. He's one of the big sponsors of the, the, the wake up series in cities. Yeah. Oh, awesome. I got a brain tap too. It's great.

 Biohacker Babes: I love it. I love it. I know it's not, maybe not for everyone, but if I do 30 minutes of that a day, it's a game changer for me. Lauren, you have one now too. The brain tap. Do you, do you feel as good after you do it? Oh, I feel amazing. So I just went to my chiropractor right before this, I go to a Nuka and before he releases you from the office, you have to go into the meditation room and you can do a guided meditation or you can do brain time. Always. BrainTap always feel awesome. That's cool. I'm sure that like helps with the spinal alignment and everything like staying, cause you leave in a parasympathetic state. Yeah. I mean, you could so easily. I live in New York city. You walk out and there's just like noise, not audio noise. There's just like energetic environmental noise. And you're really susceptible. You're, you know, you're more vulnerable after you've had that work done. So it's that grounding. It's like kind of, we harness this, make sure we have our little protective bubble to a certain extent before you expose yourself to outside inputs.

 Wade Lightheart: So, so we've got, we've got slate. We've got meditation. What else we got

 Biohacker Babes: For me? The infrared sauna morning, evening, afternoon. I'm like a 4:30 PM kind of girl. I do it on my off days of like really intense exercise. I do. I call it my off day or like my active recovery day. So I'll do more walking or like slow, steady state cardio. And then I could jump in the sauna and I just feel like superwoman, I love the heat. That's why I moved to the desert. I love the cold, love all the cold. So whenever I can get into a cold plunge, but I do daily cold showers. I love it just is so invigorating to me. Other than that, I don't have a consistent, I'm trying to remember exactly what you asked, but I try not

 Wade Lightheart: To. What's your dues, your musts and your don'ts.

 Biohacker Babes: My don't is to not be rigid in my routine, my practice. So I carved space out in my morning. And then, you know, I just try to check in. So if I always had the same three things on my to-do list, maybe that wouldn't be right for me in that day. I always have the space, but those three things could change sunlight in the morning. That's my to do that is my best. I have to get sunlight in my eyes in the morning. And then what else I stack with that kind of comes and goes, it might be breath, work meditation. I always move in the morning. I'm a huge mobility person. I'm a personal trainer. I've been in person training for 15 years, but more than ever, I'm just like, I just want to move and not be in pain when I'm older.

 Biohacker Babes: So the mobility and actually breath work has been a really big thing in this last year for me, Renee and I grew up dancing. And so we were taught to hold in our stomachs and you know, just breathe. And we're just constantly in this fight or flight. And I think that has extended well beyond those years. So I'm trying to still reset that. I think the number of years that I spent there, like I said earlier, it's going to take just as many years of really intentional breath work. So I'm still, I catch myself not breathing or it's really shallow. So I've been trying to build more space into my day to be really intentional with that.

 Biohacker Babes: Yeah. I have just, I've just second, the morning sunshine. If anyone is not getting morning sunshine, please start doing it tomorrow. It's the most amazing way to start your day. And I'll tell a funny story. Lauren already knows this. So my backyard here in Vegas, so it's sunny, you know, 350 days a year. I'm really grateful for that. There's a little sliver of sun in my backyard where I can actually go outside. That's awesome. So I get, I get full sun exposure in the morning. I am so jealous. I don't think there's any we're in New York that I would not be spotted, but I guess yeah. Yeah. I get in trouble.

 Wade Lightheart: When I walk around naked on my roof here, Dennis, you got to find a little, little spot. Not that kind of guy I'm going to like, you know, just like, Hey, letter that at all. Right. Whatever. It's interesting though, because that's a very strong yoga practice about exposing ones to sunlight and its impact. And of course oh, his name just escaped me for a second. The neurosurgeon it's all about the light. Oh, why is his name is Stephanie will refer back to him again. He's kind of really into the whole light mitochondrial conversation and the importance of light and getting out into that. Any other things, any other items that you do besides running naked into the desert?

 Speaker 3: Yeah,

 Biohacker Babes: I think like you said, trying to have more fun for a long time. I'm a very creative person by nature. And for a very long time, I was trying to do all the right things and I didn't make space for fun and play. And I think it's funny. All the biohackers are like, you gotta wake up, stay off your tech, you know, check in with yourself before you check in with the world. And I try to do that as well. And I I'm always telling my boyfriend like, get off of your phone. Like he's barely awake and he's on Twitter and Instagram. Right. But he is watching comedy reels and he is laughing his butt off for 30 minutes. And so you're like weighing the consequences. I'm like, you're on tech, but you are starting your day in such a joyous way. And so I'm kind of starting to lean into that and like maybe not first thing in the morning, but the power of laughter and comedies, like you should not, not stressful for him. I think most people, they check their phone and they're hit with everyone else's to do lists for them. Very true. And that is a horrific way to start the day. But yeah, maybe he's onto something. I think he might be. It's

 Wade Lightheart: Interesting. Cause I just started that my I just took a completely tech tech-free trip, no phones, emails, computers, nothing, couple of weeks in fast terrified number of people in my company who couldn't reach me which was awesome and totally transformative in a lot of ways because I felt that suck, you know, running a large company and all that sort of stuff. And there's, there's always a million things to be done and you get that kind of, there's a, there's a, you're on the treadmill kind of feeling. And I think a lot of people can relate so much input and not enough output, which is the creative aspect. And so coming back to that, I've recently reintegrated at night, I get up and I don't use my phones and I'm energized do my energization, do my meditation outside of my son. I got, I get on my PMF device when I get my NanoVi pumping oxygen and I'm reading my spiritual texts and I go downstairs to my work studio, take my nootropics. Biggest started nootropics yet.

 Biohacker Babes: I just started on Tuesday. Oh yeah. I today I took I stacked upbeat with brain flow. Well, that's a good one. I like that one. I did that same stack yesterday. So I was like, I'm going to do it again. It

 Wade Lightheart: Power solution with apex with way too much show poor yesterday. So by the end of the day, it was a little too aggressive, but

 Biohacker Babes: Okay. I haven't tried power solution yet. I'm a little nervous. I got to save that for

 Wade Lightheart: It, different ones. But then I, after I take, I take my nootropics and I'm you know, you gotta have a vice I'm into show polarities, which are the earthy tees and you do multiple washes. So I boil my tea and I get my temperature, my little tea set. And you know, like the Japanese guy is, you know, it's fun. And I started out putting at 7:00 AM. So by 7:00 AM, I'm just, I spend the next hour outputting, whatever I need to write, it could be working on my next book. It could be addressing the things that were running around in my head before I went to bed or dealing with a group of tasks that I've put off and I've switched out of the tech, my phone to this. Hmm. Check them off. I get things done when it goes into this for whatever reason, because I'm not from the digital era it's lost. I'm gone. I put it in. I, I never remember it. Pen and paper. And I can honestly say that it's transformative. Just kind of doing those little things and working out. It's always been easy for me. You know, supplementation has been easy for me. Some bio are easy for me. Like you kind of have your go-tos that you, like. I got some new devices here at the pile home. If you guys come out to the west coast, you've got to come visit.

 Speaker 3: Ah, what do you have? I'm going to be in LA next week. Two weeks. Yeah.

 Wade Lightheart: Visit I just got this whole cat. Do you guys know that one? No,

 Biohacker Babes: I've heard of it, but no, I haven't tried it.

 Wade Lightheart: So we're just getting it hooked up now I've got all our gear here. We're putting it together. It's it's the it's got carbonic acid and ozone and PA MF. It's 10 bio-hacks and blend. And it's like a little capsule you get in and then it's like, you just turn, it just switches between the different ones and you've got the PMF going into, so it's like 10 and one. Right. And then, and then I can, I can put on a, like a V light on my head, shoot some lasers in my brain or do a

 Speaker 3: Yeah. Who needs to go to space

 Wade Lightheart: Launch in my little capsule downstairs.

 Speaker 3: And it's amazing.

 Wade Lightheart: These things are fun, you know? So it's kind of like, how do I, I'm all about stacking as many things as possible.

 Biohacker Babes: Yes. Oh, I have a good stack. I've been doing. I do. I have the I Mrs. PEMF mat that uses it uses heart rate variability to incorporate the PEMF. I do that. I have my weighted blanket, my brain tap and the, my red light was four. I got four. Not as good as the 10, 10, and one

 Wade Lightheart: On your face or is it on your whole body? Like,

 Biohacker Babes: Is it the juice? Well, when I do it, when I stack it, it's just on one side. So it's not ideal. I still like do like front later, but right, right. Something. Yeah. I love that. Stacking is where it's at. You got a stack that you do. I don't have a tech stack because my big toys I have, I have the newbie stem and I have amp quail, which can not be done at the same time. Not recommended. Yeah. Not recommended. So when it comes to tech, I'm like one at a time. But my free, you know, ancestral hacks, like the sunshine, the mobility all stack as many of those as possible in one, but tech, I have to find the ones that are compatible and friendly to one another, especially in a tiny apartment. Yeah. I live in New York. Right.

 Wade Lightheart: You know, you live in New York, not to be in a house. You live in New York to be in New York.

 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Why

 Biohacker Babes: I'm trying to get her out to the west coast, working on it. You

 Wade Lightheart: Know, I've got a number of friends that just came out of New York recently in the biohacking community. Cause they just got squirrely with the lockdowns and really,

 Biohacker Babes: It's a good word. I'm, I'm getting there. So I'm a Broadway performer and I I'm not sure that I will be allowed to go back because of what's happening. So

 Wade Lightheart: Yes. Jab mandatories and things like that. I'm getting squirrely too. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, it's a weird world that we are living in. And I think, you know, the biohacking committee, we talked a little bit about this off air with all the things that you can't say on air. Yes. There are insider conversations, folks that aren't being too radical, digital gods, get out and meet people. Why we're doing these events. You know, we got Dave, Asprey's coming up. Are you guys going down to that down in Miami? I'll

 Speaker 3: Be there. Are you going? Oh yeah,

 Wade Lightheart: We're totally going. We're so excited. We're so out of our minds excited to actually meet, but we did it. We did a bio-hacking event here, like the wake up orange county. And I'm going on Friday again. I mean the first one, it felt like there is this strange so-so euphoria that came out of being in a room with a hundred girls. Actually I actually, earlier that year, earlier, last year in the pandemic, I went to Nevada to take my my, like I was kinda almost like Melissa Cheney. It was weapons training at a facility out in Pahrump, which is like, it's like a military training facility out in the middle of desert, but an hour away from Las Vegas. I've heard of that. Oh, it's so cool. You go out and like, you feel like you're in some kind of movie, it's like this desert and you know, you go out there, I've seen you come to this entry point and then there's a big parking lot.

 Wade Lightheart: And there's all these cars and everybody's packing. Like Irving's getting guns on them and everything. And it was the nicest, happiest sweetest group of people you'd ever met. Like little there's a little granny that was working with this. She was in her seventies, like learning, packing stacking. And she was terrible. It was like, I got my grandson, I got her. And what was really fascinating, there's this projection in the world, like it's, you know, get out of her town kind of mentality, but it was real people who want it to make, you know, we're concerned about the way things are going and want to defend themselves and learn both the legal ramifications of, of weapons training, the safety weapons. And it's a really great course. But with this biohacking event, this was the same thing. We went to this and there's this euphoria, this social euphoria that emerges when you're around people.

 Wade Lightheart: And you realize as a species, humanity has been successful because of its communication ability, our ability, we're not, we're weaker than all the animals. We don't have claws. We don't have fangs. We have big muscles. We can't run that fast. We're pretty, we're pretty bad from the physicality, but our communication skills are built and to work in groups in unison and our whole cultures. And that has been stripped away from us in this pandemic and as beautiful as it is to connect through digital technology, there is a biochemical, physiological, proximal experience of being in the presence of other people.

 Biohacker Babes: Absolutely. Yep.

 Wade Lightheart: How do you, you moving forward? Because I want to be mindful of our time or moving up through there as we move forward in and I don't call it the new normal, I call it the new stupid, very appropriate Cupid. And do you guys see this impacting biohacking? How do you see it impacting your clients? How do you have you thought about how you're going to navigate this, how they're going to move forward as restrictions continue to go? Do you think there's a breaking point? Do you think that we take back our, our autonomy or do we continue marching down to this kind of dystopian tyrannical regime? That seems to be moving at a frightening pace in our world and where to biohackers fit in that. So that's, that's a lot of, but I wanted to, I really want to get into this because I think you guys are doing such a great service in the world. You're sharing your information, you're taking your knowledge and your passion and you're disseminating it in such a dynamic fun way and encouraging people. How does that message continue forward? And, and how do you feel maybe your responsibilities or your ideas around that?

 Biohacker Babes: I've always thought that biohacking was a little bit isolating. It's like if you're a biohacking, you're going into your room, your closet away from your people. Cause we're with tech experimenting and all biohackers understand the importance of community and tribe and that biochemical exchange like you were talking about. But I think the urgency is really showing up where it's like, we can't do this alone. So I find it's or like becoming a little more magnetic for like all kind of clumping together. And I think that that energy is going to move in the right direction. We're seeing at ice, we're being isolated from other people that are not like minded and you know, that can be a little sad, but I think the big picture is that we're going to move. There's gonna be a shift, a very uncomfortable shift, but I think it's become very apparent that we need each other. And I think we're going to come together. Some kind of explosion who knows, but I do think, you know, the, the isolation is now going to come back into this integration phase where we kind of collaborate and maybe we're less competitive. Maybe we're less isolated. I just see it going in, in a good direction.

 Biohacker Babes: Yeah. I, I hope that's going in a good direction. I really hope. And I think the more people like us that are spreading that message will hopefully help. And I'm so excited that like the biohacking con conferences happening in September and biohacking, Congress and October ACRM and December, like all these events are coming back and I am so excited. I'm counting down the days. So anyone that's listening, listening, that's going to go to these events, connect with the three of us. I will be there hugging everyone because I'm not afraid of anything. Hard, hard to hurt. Yes. That you got to get that 32nd Huggins to get that oxytocin release that we all need so much. But I think even people not in the health space are really starting to feel the ramifications of being isolated. And they're, they're finally coming out of their homes and being like, well, why was I so afraid for the last year? What have I been so afraid of, of this thing that has a 0.1% chance of doing some harm? You know? So I think there is more awareness and the more that we can spread that message and connect with others. I have, I have a good feeling maybe 20, 21 will be a little rough, like Lauren said some big changes, but we're going to get through it and be stronger on the other side. And hopefully lead by example, because word is not so powerful right now. Word I think is really polarizing. Yeah.

 Wade Lightheart: Well, you guys are leading the charge. You've done a great job of sharing some insights into your unique journeys as the biohacking babes experts and entrepreneurs, as well as advocates for a healthier and happier lifestyle, whether that you're digitally driven or intuitively driven. And I think that's really great that you've kind of combined that and you're doing some wonderful things in the world can let us know where people can reach you find out about your podcast, your offerings, your services, and maybe leave us with a few gems of wisdom from a wealth of experience.

 Biohacker Babes: Sure. So the biohacker is our website podcast is biohacker babes. We both do individual health coaching. We also do co-coaching. So if you want to work with both of us and kind of get a piece of both of our minds, you can find that through our website and on Instagram, we're mostly on Instagram, not Facebook. Yeah. Biohacker underscore babes on Instagram. Yeah. so we've ever own with maybe one final piece of advice. I think something, you know, I always liked something that people can start doing right away. When it comes to the data, don't get overwhelmed by it. I say, if you're new to this pick one thing to track fasting glucose, maybe it's a blood blood test number, vitamin D maybe it's an aura ring with sleep, right. Just pick one piece of data and start implementing changes every week you add one new habit, right? Maybe every Sunday, it's one new habit and just keep working towards that goal and checking on that one piece of data and see, see how you feel. I think just one thing, like one data piece, it's going to impact everything in life. It's amazing how it spirals into other pieces of your life. That's well said, well said, Lauren, just to tag onto that, I think what that one new habit or actionable item, just allow space and time for your body to give you feedback. Allow the thoughts, allow the listening to communicate

 Wade Lightheart: Sounds like solid advice to me. So there you have it folks right from the biohacker babes mows. You can find their information on the biohacker Instagram at biohacker underscore babes, check out their info, check out their sites, get on it and come out to an event and give themselves a full on 32nd oxytocin, fearless hug because they're fat and healthy and ready to share their, their love and their kindness. And thank you so much for joining us today on the Awesome health podcast. For those of you who liked this episode, do a, like do a share, throw it in the garbage. If you didn't hate us, whatever

 Speaker 3: You feel. Good. It's all good.

 Wade Lightheart: Thanks for joining us today. And we'll see you on the very next episode. Take care.
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