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119: This Weird Molecule Could Be the Key to Longevity – with Chris Burres

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Meet the guy shaking up the longevity field: he’s a polymath who likes to make you laugh.

When the bespectacled Chris Burres wears a lab coat, he looks like a mad scientist. But don’t let that fool you! He’s a funny guy fascinated by many things. And like Elon Musk, Chris enjoys finding connections between the different areas he studies. One of his favorite subjects (and something Chris has devoted a lot of his career on) is longevity—precisely, the fantastic life span results surrounding a molecule called Carbon 60 (a.k.a. Buckyballs). 

When Chris realized a Nobel Prize-Winning chemical tested by NASA had shown to almost double the mammals’ lifespan, he decided to make C60 a household item.

Our host Wade Lightheart asks Chris some great questions that will help you wrap your head around C60 – what it is, how its extracted, and the health benefits people report after taking C60. 

Being a polymath, Chris’s other areas of interest include Mechanical Engineering, Comedy Improv, Oil and Gas Explosives, and Competitive Soccer, to name a few.

He’s also the co-host of the most popular internet marketing podcast on iTunes since 2009 – “The SEO Podcast – Unknown Secrets of Internet Marketing”. 

Chris is on a mission to help people live longer, healthier, and pain-free lives one serving of buckyballs at a time.

In this podcast, we cover:

  • How humor helps Chris as an entrepreneur and researcher
  • Why Chris started manufacturing C60 and how he does it
  • The difference between ESS 60 and C60
  • The famous rat study that shows 90% life extension for the rodents taking C60
  • The proper dose a human needs to see results with C60
  • How do you feel after taking C60?
  • The positive results Chris has experienced taking C60, along with several anecdotal testimonies

“You guys should run off and start a company manufacturing and selling this stuff.”

In 1990, Chris was a student at the University of Houston, where he met his business partner, working at the Texas Center for Superconductivity which affiliates with U of H. His friend was working on separating fullerenes at the time. The separated fullerenes (discussed further on the podcast) were selling for $6,000 a gram. 

One day a professor at the University of Houston named Dr. Chu encouraged Chris and his friend to start a business making and sell the separated fullerenes since it was so lucrative. 

Processing fullerenes requires vaporizing graphite rods using temperatures as hot as the sun’s surface! Not an easy thing to do without burning the building down. Chris’s future business partner ran with the professor’s idea to start a business and brought in Chris to oversee the equipment to manage those insanely high temperatures needed in the manufacturing process. Chris was majoring in mechanical engineering at the time, so he was a good fit. 

And the rest is history, as they say. Chris and his partner are still in business together, now providing C60 to humans and pets.

Great Buckyballs of Fire

Carbon 60 is affectionately called Buckyballs because when seen under a microscope the molecule is in the shape of a soccer ball. Its full name is Buckminsterfullerene – the most common naturally occurring fullerene. You can find small quantities of C60 in soot, and the molecule is detected in deep space. 

Chris shares how the C60 “Buckyball” molecule can fire at a steel plate at 15,000 miles per hour and it still maintains its shape, compressing and bouncing back. This molecule is incredibly resilient. Most molecules get shredded when fired at the steel that hard.

How does this benefit your health? There is so much more to discover about C60 – and Wade guides Chris through a fascinating interview where you will find the potential behind C60. 

Even cats and dogs benefit from buckyballs—Chris shares how your fur baby can begin a C60 protocol right along with you. 

Be sure to tune in if you want to not only live longer but also live stronger. What does a person gain by adding 20 years to their life if they spend those 20 years incapacitated, feeling lousy, and stuck in a nursing home? The Awesome Health Podcast is always about living a better life through optimized health, and C60 scientific studies are promising. Chris is an expert on not only C60 but how to take it as a supplement in a form that will maximize its power. 

Check out this episode – you could add quality years to your already healthy life! 

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Read The Episode Transcript:

Wade Lightheart: Good morning. Good afternoon. And good evening. It's Wade T Lightheart from BiOptimizers with another edition of the Awesome Health podcast. And today we have none other than Chris Burres, who is a longevity expert. Some people call him a mad scientist and we've got him for those watching the video. Don't let the lab coat fool you. Chris has an extensive background in a diverse range of areas, including mechanical engineering, comedy, improv artist, oil and gas explosives, and competitive soccer. He is also the co-host of the most popular internet marketing podcasts on iTunes since 2009. The SEO podcast, unknown secrets of internet marketing. When Chris realized a Nobel prize winning chemical tested by NASA has been proven to almost double the lifespan of mammals. He decided to make ES S60 into a household item. He is now on a mission to help people live longer, healthier and pain free lives, one serving at a time. He said he did not want to be a supplement person. And he's been forced into the game because of his research. Chris, welcome to the show.

 Chris Burres: Wade, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. Your introduction is I might need to like steal that, like cut that out and use it in other places. You know, I don't know, maybe when I show up at a house party or something, I feel like…

 Wade Lightheart: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Well, okay, Chris, I mean you know, one of the things I was listening to Elon Musk and I think this is relevant to you is, they were asking him about…

 Chris Burres: First off, thank you

 Wade Lightheart: But there is something really interesting. And I think it's something that a lot of people missed today, and it's very, very important here. You're known as an internet marketing expert and then you have all these kinds of what seemingly be very wide spectrum of interests and Elon was talking in an interview and he said, yeah, he holds kind of like 12 major problems in mind at a given time. And he learns information about a bunch of fields. And when he gets an aha moment in another field, he takes that aha moment and see if it has any application. And what's interesting is you look at the founding fathers of the United States. When you read their histories, they were scientists, they were biologists, they were literary people. They were businessmen, they were philosophers. They had this kind of polymath mentality that has been removed with this highly specialized compartmentalize, it thinking I would like to know how important do you think knowing a bit in a wide depth has allowed you to come to some unique conclusions?

 Chris Burres: Well, I could be a very bad guest and go paramount. I'll jump right into this because that could end up being a painful podcast. I I've Al I think one of the things that really cemented I had in my mind that it was better to be, have a more diverse kind of education. And it was really, really cemented. I got the opportunity to listen to Dr. Linus Pauling speak at the university of Houston, go kooks and a couple of parts of his speech really stuck with, with me. One of them was just a jokey told, which was absolutely hilarious from this, you know, two time Nobel prize, winning scientist. But the other was, it was actually the fact that he had an of course he had a, master's, a PhD in chemistry and biology.

 Chris Burres: And it was when he crossed those disciplines that he made some absolutely amazing discoveries. And that kind of cemented for me, like, yeah, I don't really want to get, like, I don't want to go down the traditional path of a PhD. Cause probably back then, his PhD was a lot more broad than like today's PhD or like here's a, I don't, a Valve like adjust this diameter on the valve, I'm speaking in kind of engineering terms and then like, see what the optimal valve design. And I just feel like that the one that suited for some people, right. And that can be really great, a great job. I'm kind of not suited the same thing every day. And absolutely, I think it's paramount having a broad base of interests because they do overlap. And they do, you know, when I am a reluctant supplement guy and when ultimately my business partner and I said, okay, well, this is an opportunity. We just can't ignore the fact that I did comedy improv gives me the skill sets to help me come on to a podcast like yours and be more engaging and then be more than the guests who he says paramount. Right. And so, yeah, absolutely. I think it's incredibly important to have a diverse set of knowledge.

 Wade Lightheart: One of the things I find interesting is how many, what I would say of my brilliant associates have an incredible sense of humor. And humor is always about finding the higher truth within common elements. And if there's not an element of truth within a joke, it's not really funny. So you're just, recontextualizing sort of the unconscious thought process. That's not necessarily expressed in social circumstances or conventional institutions, whether that be church or state or relationships or any of the conditions that people find themselves in a compromised situation and that of social civilization, grace, they have to act and operate in a personal way, even though maybe not, which leads me to this. How important do you think comedy has played a role in discovery because kind of when people break out in laughter it's that Eureka truth moment that kind of shine through even the most macabre situations, you know, like really like dark humor, for example, which oftentimes is it embraced by military personnel who are in really grueling situations, many of them develop a really dark sense of humor to kind of overcome the, the horrific tragedy, their existing. Do you think that that is a key element to discovery?

 Chris Burres: I think first that's a great question. I think second, my dad was in the air force for 25 years. Got to the position of full Colonel. So maybe some of, and yes I have. I'm a cob sense of humor. Absolutely. We would probably not hear that on this show. I'm not sure like comedy is really important for relationships, right? It really is. If you can get somebody I read somewhere and I, I don't ascribe to this necessarily, but I do like the concept is that the guy who can make a room laugh, wins. Right. And I don't know what the content, you know, you can take that as you will, whatever winning might mean in that situation. But it does absolutely help with relationships and that's relationship with my team members, that's relationships with people I interact with and, you know, like, like Wade, like other podcasters, like other people who we end up doing business with. So certainly it, it's probably the case that it's more applicable to the entrepreneurial side of things and the team building side of things. But now that you've asked these great questions, I'm going to be like going through my day, thinking about the creative process, I can show you one of the things that came to my mind that was an absolute creative process, really, in terms of marketing, one of our future products literally was something that came to me in my sleep. So I really like fall into that. He was asleep, he was dreaming. I actually, I remember like batting ideas around and defending him and all of this stuff. And then waking up with effectively a Eureka moment of, you know, what we're going to call one of our products moving down the road. And hopefully it will turn out to be brilliant, you know, that's kind of dictated by the sales associated with it. And if anybody gives us negative feedback,but yeah, I'm not sure how much it has to do with the creative side of kind of the science, but definitely very important for entrepreneurship.

 Wade Lightheart: So I know we're going to get into longevity and these NASA discoveries and how that's kind of pave your way, but maybe you can share with our listeners your background of how you got to the point where you end up researching and then ultimately developing a product that potentially can expand or extend people's lives. Like how do you get that out of the oil and gas in the comedy business or internet marketing. So maybe give a little bit of a backstory as we can kind of get that, and then we'll lead to those decisions.

 Chris Burres: Absolutely. So I went to college at the university of Houston here in Houston, obviously, and I met my business partner, still my business partner back in 1990. And he was working at the university of Houston at the Texas center for superconductivity, which is really an organization inside of the U of H architecture. The, the reason they built this Texas center for superconductivity was really a professor named Dr. Paul Chu on campus. We used to call that building choose castle because they built that castle for him. My business partner was working in the Texas center for superconductivity and with separating fullerenes. And we'll talk about that here in just a second, but he was separating fullerenes at the time. The separated fullerenes that we'll discuss today were selling for $6,000 a gram. So it's insanely expensive material one day.

 Wade Lightheart: My question is that I mean, how high do you get when you take them.

 Chris Burres: Its the best stuff ever.

 Wade Lightheart: Just a little friendly humor out there. Folks.

 Chris Burres: Dr. Chu in one day, and he was Like, you are young kids, this is $6,000 a gram. You guys should run off and like start a company manufacturing and selling this. My business partner was from an entrepreneurial background,uand, and really he was jumped right in and, and there was another guy working at the office, still a friend of ours, all, all of us. Uhe, they started the company together,uand they started the process of manufacturing, the equipment necessary to make these fullerenes, now in order to manufacture fullerenes. And this is still the best method today, you have to take two graphite rods and you have to vaporize those graphite rods. Graphite is one of the hardest materials on the planet to vaporize. So you're actually talking about local temperatures of the sun, right at the point where you have these two rods together. Uit's. So it literally is the temperature of the sun.

 Chris Burres: We have a sight glass. If you don't use a welder's Goggle one, you can't look, you will burn your eyes to, if you don't have the welders Goggle and you let it shine on your skin, you will get a sunburn. Like it is, it is extremely hot to, to vaporize graphite. So they brought me in, I was studying mechanical engineering. They brought me in to work on the equipment to manage the heat associated with this process to manage the kind of re the refresh that happens after you burn all these rods. Our other business partner went away and Robert and I actually delivered our first commercial quantities of carbon nanomaterials in 1991. And then I'll kind of tell the story, but you might have a question at that point.

 Speaker 4: No keep going, this is a great, I love the backstories for behind these things. So this is great.

 Chris Burres: So so we actually delivered those first quantities. So what is a carbon nanomaterial right. So I'm holding up a molecule right now, a model of a molecule, obviously. And for those who are listening, if you imagine a soccer ball, the lines on the soccer ball represent the bonds between the carbon atoms. So you have a spherical molecule of 60 carbon atoms, right? It's the first closed cage molecule that was ever discovered. And it was discovered in 1985 at rice university here in Houston, the scientist, the three, three scientists who discovered it and publish the paper paper in nature, went on to win the Nobel prize for this discovery. So 85, they discovered it in 1996, a short 11 years later, they won the Nobel prize for that discovery. The material in the beginning was, has some pretty amazing properties, right?

 Chris Burres: So this is, you know, called carbon 60 affectionately called buckyballs. It is harder than a diamond it'll turn into a diamond. It's got six-fold symmetry, right? So there's six planes through which this molecule is symmetrical, which gives us an insane amount of resilience. You can actually fire this molecule at a steel plate at 15,000 miles an hour. Most molecules will shred apart. This molecule will just compress and bounce right back. That's incredible resilience. It has the ability to hold. I think it's six electrons on the exterior and then have those six electrons be released like you would want in a battery, or you might want in an antioxidant, right? Coz of the reactive oxygen species and their negative charge it's better than lithium. So we're all familiar with our batteries and where we get our cell phones and it works perfectly like it's like maybe it's even two full days, or it's at least a day and a half.

 Chris Burres: And then a year, year and a half later now it's, you know, you got to ABC always be charging that foam, what causes that is the degradation of the material when you add an electron to it. And when you pull that electron off of it, when you charge it and when you discharge it, you actually get degradation of the material. And that's what causes that degradation of the battery. C60 isn't isn't subject to that. So all of these fantastic properties, they actually kind of hearkened it to a 3d version of benzene. If you're familiar with benzene if you're not like it's ubiquitous in our society, we don't have modern society without it. If you just look around your room right now, anything that's plastic does not exist without the foundation of the benzene ring. Most medicines have benzene detergents. We literally don't have modern society without the benzene ring.

 Chris Burres: This Bucky ball is they hearkened it to be a 3d version of benzene. So if benzene is so ubiquitous in our modern society, they just said, well, this is going to be too. And that's kind of part of the reason they won the Nobel prize. It's really interesting. You think about you, you don't often think about things going viral, like no pun intended related to like biology, but things going viral in the science, in the fields of science, right? You got like YouTube goes viral. Instagram goes viral, whatever goes viral, but this molecule and really carbon nanomaterials and fullerenes are a really a Bucky ball. Carbon 60 is the most abundant fullerene, there's a whole gamut of molecules called fullerenes carbon 60, carbon70, carbon 76, carbon 84. So you've got All of these close cage molecules. In 1991, all 10 of the 10, most referenced scientific papers were related to fullerenes. Right? So like, it's so an amazing excitement. It literally it's like absolutely viral and the scientific community. And that's what kind of led that we started the company in 1991. We've been selling to research institutions around the world since 1991. And then our life kind of changed with a publication of a report in 2012,

 Wade Lightheart: What happens? So when you report [Inaudible] we have bled up to the moment and

 Chris Burres: Tune in on the next podcast.

 Wade Lightheart: So first off you figured out how to like generate temperatures, like the same temperature as the sun, and not like burn down your lab and not blind yourself, or get a really bad sunburn from the event produced this product, which you then sold at some derivative of $6,000 per gram to other research labs and, and, and was getting so much traction because of the scientific excitement about this C60 what was re what was the point of excitement? Why are people excited? Because you can shoot, you know, a caged molecule of steel at $15,000, 15,000 miles. And it was like, Hey, you know, I don't, I can't imagine myself going out and buying, Hey, you know what, let's go get 10 grams of C 60 and start shooting at some, some, some cars here and just see what happens. I mean, so what's the excitement. Why are people so excited about this molecule?

 Chris Burres: So, two things I'll throw in here. So one of them is,ureally this molecule, this fullerene molecule performs as well, or better than the current best material and almost every application, right? So that's kind of the excitement, the fact that it is superconducting, the fact that it can turn into a diamond, the fact that it's harder than a diamond,uthose things, and many other properties. And the fact that it has are some of the chemistry, the wet chemistry that we know to work with bending works on a 3d molecule, a lot throw in another one, there's actually a new symbol and chemistry. This is how, you know, you're on the right track. As a, as a, you know, a discovering scientists is that they create a new symbol and chemistry. The at symbol, which we're familiar with our email addresses is now in chemistry because of this molecule lanthanum at C60 means lanthanum. And by the way, any atom on the periodic chart can fit inside of it. The buckyballs big enough for any atom on the periodic chart to fit inside of lanthanum at C60 means the lanthanum Atom trapped, physically trapped inside of the molecule of the, of the Bucky ball, not covalently bonded on the exterior, not ionically bonded, just physically trapped. So as an example, one of the theories that they had in the early days was, Hey, we could throw two, r a number of radioactive atoms inside of this and physically track them, trap them. And then we, the chemistry for bingeing, we know how to work it. So we could actually attach to the exterior something that might, I don't know, attached to a cancer cell. So now you could deliver a radioactive payload directly to a cancer cell and increase the efficacy of that chemo or that radiation treatment.

 Chris Burres: It's known, and there's actually a patent where this molecule stops the replication of the AIDS virus. So 90's AIDS was like really coming on the scene. And this molecule, again, there's a patent related to this molecule blocking the reproduction of the AIDS virus. So a known antiviral, and really we, we could go on and on about all of these applications, that's really why all the excitement was. In fact, you know, I would tell people, Oh, you know, in the early days nobody heard anything. It wasn't in the supplement industry. So really nobody cared about it, but I would, you know, your friends and family, but I would tell them about what I do and they'd say, well, what's that useful for, and the kind of running joke was, well, it's really, really good for funding, right? All 10 of the, most of the most referenced papers are in fullerenes. Then that means the science foundation, the defense labs, like everybody's spending money on this. And so it was really, really good for funding

 Wade Lightheart: That's great stuff. And for those who aren't watching the video of this and are listening to the podcast, the Bucky ball is basically a geodesic dome structure, which became famous when you see those kinds of geodesic domes that came out in the sixties with the world renowned engineer, buck, minister, fuller, who also was a pretty extraordinary philosopher. And many of his ideas are still in play to this day in a lot of different areas of, of breakthrough thinking. And I find it interesting that you also referenced Dr. Linus Pauling, who of course, when two Nobel prizes, which is crazy, number two, he was also the big advocate of super physiological dosages of vitamin C and unknown to many people, him Dr. David Hawkins, and Dr. David Hoffer founded orthomolecular psychiatry, which was treating advanced States of mental illness with super physiological dosages of vitamins and minerals and various nutrients, which was very radical in the seventies. So it's funny that you, you know, with an engineering background and then now dealing with nutrition, you kind of led to this molecule. So we're kind of at the point, it was like, okay, well, this sounds cool. We got these buckyballs and they do all these things, but like, well, how does that relate to living long and NASA?

 Chris Burres: All right. So again, they thought it might be a 3d version of Benzene, or they hearkened it to a 3d version of benzene. Benzene happens to be toxic and carcinogenic. So

 Wade Lightheart: Benzene is not something that you want, but it's a real problem.

 Chris Burres: In General not good. Yeah. And benzene bad. So they actually did it. And if it has all of these amazing properties, at some point, lots of humans are going to be working with it, and you have to understand the toxicity of the molecule. So in 2012, they published the results of a toxicity study and the results were pretty amazing. So in that study, they gave rats, water, rats, olive oil, and then rats, olive oil with C60. And really I'm going to change a little bit here because C 60 is for industrial applications. And there's peer reviewed, published research that proves that if you process it, improperly, it is harmful. We call C 60, that's been processed for safe, for human consumption. We call that ESS 60. Okay. In that study, they gave rats water, rats, olive oil, and then rods olive oil with ESS 60.

 Wade Lightheart: What's the difference between the ESS 60 versus the C60.

 Chris Burres: So, in a couple of things, when I'm talking about, if you improperly process it, one, it actually does require solvents to isolate an individual C 60 molecule from the other full range. So you will have to make sure that you're getting rid of those solvents, right? That's a, that's a no brainer. Uthe other is there are water soluble versions of C60 and that, that means you've processed it to make it water-soluble. It also implies what I haven't stated that C 60 is not water soluble. Uso when you make it water soluble, there's also data that shows that it's harmful. So ESS 60 is like, let's just get rid of the solvents and let's actually leave it in its most natural form. That's what ESS C 60 means.

 Wade Lightheart: And how do you do that?

 Chris Burres: Well, it really requires a couple of processes. One of them is a proprietary process, but, but the biggest and most important is actually vacuum oven baking. Right. So you got to get, you've got to activate. So, so really when you're dealing with C 60 powder, you've got just a pile of black powder and that's actually crystals. Again, this is interesting. Those crystals are not water soluble. Once you get rid of the solvent and you do that in a vacuum oven baking process, and then we've got a washing process to further remove some of those you can consume this and it'll just go through your system. Some will get incorporated into your system, but because it's not water soluble, it just flows right through your system. The process of dissolving it an oil, which is what they did in that rat study. We'll get back to that in a second, brings you down. Right? So anytime you dissolve something in a solution, it gets down to a mano molecular level. Now you're talking about bioavailability orders of magnitude different, right?

 Wade Lightheart: Right. Kind of like the whole mano atomic minerals conversation stuff, you reduce it down and then it's much more bioavailable.

 Chris Burres: Absolutely. Absolutely. Your body doesn't have to spend the time breaking down the crystal and you know, it can't even do that within the case of a ESS C60. It can't do that in the stomach because it's not, it's not water soluble. So back to that study, though, they gave those rats olive oil with ESS C60 and again, it was a toxicity study, but instead of being toxic, the rats that they gave in it really it's the C formula to those rats lived 90% longer than the control group.

 Wade Lightheart: That's a crazy, that's a crazy result.

 Chris Burres: Yeah, it is. It's a, it's the single longest longevity result in mammals and peer reviewed published history ever. Right. The next best researched way to live longer is calorie restriction. So it's, well-documented in multiple animal models that if you reduce your calorie consumption by 30%, you can extend your life by 30%, I call that the star of yourself, one third to death diet, no one really signs up for that. I maybe I need to work on my marketing skills.

 Wade Lightheart: Just a quick question on that just is a thing when, when they're doing that, cause I, I, I've never actually confirmed this and you can probably add to that. Cause you're deep into this. When they say consume 30%, less calories, 30% less. What's the baseline that they're saying is the baseline that they're working the 30%, from?

 Chris Burres: Yeah. one thing I'm pretty much sure. I can guarantee it's not 30% lower than the average American diet,

 Wade Lightheart: Correct. Exactly.

 Chris Burres: 30% Lower than the recommended amount for your BMI index and BMI, you know, has some challenges, but it's a really good rule of thumb.

 Wade Lightheart: So if you had a BMI of say 2000 cap that led you to your, you live on 2000 calories per day, which is what most of the standard nutritional facts are based on. Then you would be far better off eating 1400 calories a day. If you want to extend your life. That's probably the calorie restriction is pretty much the only way.

 Chris Burres: So, it's a 30% reduction of calories. It gets you a 30% extension of life. Not even 90, it's just a 30% extension.

 Wade Lightheart: Got it Now, but this is a breakthrough. So talk about a little bit more of the ES S60.

 Chris Burres: So well, it's, it's good to note or interesting to note in that study, there were a couple of things. One, those rats live 90% longer, two they used Wistar rats in that study. And a typical Wistar rat will live 32 months and they'll have a known amount of tumors in their body, right? So every day they live longer or every week they live longer, the mass of tumors in their bodies increases. Despite the fact that the, my vital sea rats lived 90% longer out to 62 months. None of them had any tumors.

 Wade Lightheart: Wow. Why is that?

 Chris Burres: Well, so some I'm glad your first response. Wasn't what I'm concerned. A lot of people are like, Oh, anti-cancer or like cancer cure. No, no

 Wade Lightheart: Tumors aren't necessarily cancerous. One thing.

 Chris Burres: Yeah. Well that's one thing too, is a cure for cancer is very different than a cancer preventative, right? Dealing with a metastasized cancer is vastly different than doing things that are cancer preventatives. We know things as simple as a good night's sleep, a good, a good nutrition exercise, our cancer preventative. So the implication of that is that it's a cancer preventative. What's the exact mechanism that stops it. I'll be honest, somebody much smarter than me going to ultimately figure that out. Right.

 Wade Lightheart: I don't know why they just noticed the result.

 Chris Burres: Absolutely. Yeah.

 New Speaker: Tell us more about this ES S60.

 Speaker 1: So a lot of people ask, okay, these rats live 90% longer. Why? Like, what is the mechanism? And again, we don't know exactly why we're, you know, there's research going on and there are some theories, right? So one, a lot of the medical community believes that aging is re is an oxidation and an inflammation process. Right? So not surprising that the [inaudible] the product that had those rats live longer is an antioxidant. There's at least one store one study that shows it to be 172 times more powerful than vitamin C. I'm not a hundred percent convinced that, Oh, it's just that much. But you know that much better of an antioxidant. And then vitamin C is the real thing is one of the things, cause there's things out there like meringa,I've read has a thousand times more antioxidant capability than vitamin C. It depends ultimately on what your body does with it. Right. And then, so, so that's the oxidation part of aging. And then the inflammation part of aging, I have to be really careful because the FDA has decided that talking about inflammation means that I'm talking about a disease.

 Wade Lightheart: Interesting. Yeah. So many people are talking about a compelled speech. That's been happening in the health industry, radically thanks to pharmaceutical organizations and their nefarious specialty industry groups, which lobby through our governmental organization systems, which limit what we can say or what we can't say.

 Chris Burres: And this one is, I would say fairly agregious right. Cause inflammation. To say that talking about inflammation means you're talking about disease is a misnomer. I mean, anyone who's worked out really hard and felt the inflammation from a workout, right? Like felt it in their bodies. That's not caused by a disease. So inflammation is not the equivalent of a disease in any case, you know, I've got to, in fact, I'm going to throw in my disclaimer right now, the FDA hasn't evaluated our product. It's not intended to treat, diagnose, cure, or prevent any disease. So,uso what I can comfortably say is there are certainly components of our, of our product that have anti-inflammatory properties. The product fits very naturally in an anti-inflammatory diet, which is, which is known to,associated with reduced incidences of stroke, reduce incidences of heart attack, and actually that blue zone, mxtension of people who tend to live longer than the average humans. So those are really the two kind of components that you, that, that, that we can say, Hey, these seem to fit with this aging. So is that what caused the rats to live 90% longer?

 Wade Lightheart: Were they able to replicate this in other species and other animals by, and because obviously giving a ineffective dosage to a rat which weighs a pound or something like that versus a, you know, a 200 pound human is obviously going to be variance, genetics and epigenetics and all that aside, how were you able to determine what an effective doses with humans and do you have, or do you have any evidence to support how that could potentially extend people's lives?

 Chris Burres: So the short answer on extending people's lives is no. I am working on a study that's related to DNA age testing that looks incredibly promising. And I can tell you

 Wade Lightheart: How do you test your DNA age.

 Chris Burres: So I didn't even really know about DNA age testing and what it is. It talks about DNA methylation. And, and it really it's really, so they'll look at the methylation at a whole bunch of different points. And depending on what test you're on, it's a thousand points of methylation and information. But ultimately all it is is like let's collect a whole lot of data. And all the 50 year old's look like approximately this all the 40 year old's look approximately like this, it is not what we would say, like is a scientific clock, right?

 Wade Lightheart: It's more clinical associative conclusions as opposed to absolute required. We can say, you know, this is a typical person at 50 we'll show this kind of damage or two to the kind of like a copy machine. Yep. That's re copying the machine over and over, over time that copy gets less and less crest. And so you can expect if you do enough copy machines, right? Let's say you run an experiment with 10,000 copy machines and one's been running copies for this many copies and next, the next, the next you can draw some general bell curve associations saying, well, yeah, we had one copy machine that was way out on the end. But the most of them fall within this kind of general range of expectation. Is it kind of like that?

 Chris Burres: Yeah, that's my interpretation of it. It is not the situation where you're looking at something and this is not what they look at, but if you were looking at telomeres and you said, if your telomere was, you know, one millimeter shorter, that means you live 10 years, right. It's not a you know, A equals B situation, whatever the A implies directly B it's just that, like you said, A is associated with B in general. And actually I'll talk about that, that particular study right now. I had a doctor out of Tampa, Florida who called me in kind of late 2019. He was like, Hey, I want to run a couple of people through this trial. I want to give them your product. And I also want to put them in his case, he was going to put them on the David Sinclair protocol.

 Wade Lightheart: For those who haven't listened, David Sinclair is I think he's from Harvard. Is he not doing? And he's doing all this longevity research, he was on Joe Rogan, recently, some really interesting stuff.

 Chris Burres: So he's got a book called lifespan. It's a, it's a phenomenal book. And he's really a big advocate for, at some point we're going to live, or we're not going to die of natural causes.

 Wade Lightheart: He sees death as a disease, which is a very interesting perspective by identifying that as a disease of the living, which most diseases end up with the final disease, which is, you know, the cessation of physical existence. Fascinating stuff. I love this topic. Keep going to extrapolate a little longer about how you were able to determine that there is some potential benefits to taking this.

 Chris Burres: Yeah. So so this doctor calls me, he says he wants to run them through the protocol. The protocol is N M N a, which is nicotinamide Nucleo mono nucleotide. That's one of the things that David Sinclair says that he takes, he actually will advocate any particular source or whatever. He just admits that he takes it. Uand also resveratrol. Those are two things that he takes. So they, they gave two people really, it was just to kind of actually people who worked at his clinic, those two products and my vital scene. And then he called me,ureally about October of 2020 had gotten these people. Basically they did this DNA age test and the name of the test like brand or whatever was DNA age. Right. Uand they took it on day one. Then they went through six months of the protocol and then they took another blood sample and did the DNA age test.

 Chris Burres: And, and in my research, I kind of learned that your hope in six months, if you're doing things right, is that you only quote unquote age five months, right? So your slow process down in this case, one of the girls went back, her age, came back 1.6 years younger, and the other one was 2.8 years younger. So he was very excited. He was like, we needed to do like a twenty-five person study. You know, you're going to need to provide the materials. We'll, you know, get FDA approval and everything. And I'm like, well, we're a tiny company. I'm a hundred percent on board supporting this study, but let's do it incrementally. He also wanted to change the DNA test from DNA age to true age by true diagnostics. Cause he had a conversation with them. So we already have the DNA age or the true age quote unquote, true age of four a they're not patients, but they're participants four participants. And then we're just about to collect data on, on the other end of that. So we just want to see, Hey, does that still hold true? Is that interesting? I frankly have to do more research on methylation and get my head around that better. Cause if it's not better than just aggregate data, then you know, okay. It might look good for marketing, but as a really have, you know, solid scientific meaning. I'm not, I'm not convinced yet.

 Wade Lightheart: And I think this is one of the, when we're dealing with particularly the, you know, healthy or life extension or reduction of oxidative stress to extend the life or maximize one's life potential. I think a lot of people have to recognize is that many of this information might be proven in double blind studies, you know, 20, 30, 40 years out into the future. However, for people who are, you know, because human lifespans are relatively limited relative to the, you know, the slow engines of sciences and peer reviewed. And the requirements is that if you're interested in life extension, for example, you are going to have to make some calculated guests based on clinical research, which is, Hey, these are the, some tests we're running. These are some associated things. We're not sure of the mechanisms or whatever, but w this is the kind of things that we're seeing.

 Wade Lightheart: You make a decision. If that's something that you're willing to bet on. So I always say, if you're looking to extend your life, you want to line up as many factors as you can, that would potentially be proven down the road to be successful. And you would want to limit as many things is that we can determine, you know, shortened lifespan. So probably not a good idea to be smoking cigarettes every day. Probably not a good idea to be like, you know, you know, working in a coal mine, you, you know, bringing in hazardous material or any area where you bring in hazard materials, probably be great if you following some detoxification pathways or something periodically, you know, eating less exercising, you know, moving away from things that we can kind of stack the deck in our favor. And, but it seems to me, if I've heard you correctly, that the ESS 60 seems to be kind of a breakaway leader that could potentially lead to life extension.

 Chris Burres: Yeah. Well, the result in the peer reviewed published rat study absolutely indicates that now, you know, the scientific processes, I mean, in fact, I like the direction you're going actually read a book that kind of spoke to that, like spoke to, Hey, let's do all of these things to try and live longer, but the purpose of the book, the purpose behind it for the book, I think in your case might be just to live longer. Right. Cause we potentially can. And the book he's talking about soon, we won't die of natural causes. Right? That's the argument that David Sinclair makes that the argument that this book, and unfortunately, I don't remember the title of it is just kind of a innocuous book that I listened to from, from Amazon. But the point of the book is like, how much would it suck to be the last person to die of natural causes? Right? because you,

 Wade Lightheart: The assumption is that dying is not a good thing. If that's your belief right

 Chris Burres: Now, here's interesting. Right? So I tell people about this study all the time and I'm telling you, it's probably 90% of the people were like, why would I want to live longer?

 Wade Lightheart: Right? Because they're seeing, they're seeing life extension of living, you know, right now I think it was professor Oshinsky in, in early mid or mid two thousands that released a study of the new England journal of medicine, talking about the disability adjusted life span of United States. Citizens Americans was now at 60 years old, even though the, they had extended their age to almost 80 as an average projected. In other words, they were spending 20 years of their life and a quarter of their life compromised in some level. And of course it leads you to believe why the hell would I want to be on machines and compromise and rotting away in a home with nobody that wants to come see me or whatever what you want to do is live long and live strong. And how does this factor into that to you?

 Chris Burres: Well, so I do joke in the original study, there was no note that showed that the rats were walking around with little rat walkers and dragging little rat oxygen tanks, right. It lived, healthy rat lives until they passed. Right. Right. I mean, that's the goal is that healthier? When people say, why would I want to live longer? I, now I turn it around and say, so if you have the same mental capacity that you have today, and you have the same physical capacity that you have today, would you still be interested in living longer? Interestingly, not everyone says, yes. I feel like maybe some people need to reevaluate what they're doing in their life, because if you don't want to live longer from like, just fix your age today. That's interesting. But, but yeah. Cause, cause you're exactly right. What people are hearing. They're not hearing.

 Chris Burres: Do you want to live longer? They're hearing, do you want to live longer in firmed or, or compromised in some way? And, and that I can understand like the answer in general is no, like how much longer in a, in a compromised state would you like to live? And I think a lot of the answers are like, why I'd like to finish my will. And then we're probably good. Right. But if you, if you change the mindset and that's part of what Dr. David Sinclair is doing is like, Hey, it's not just that I want you to live compromised longer. It's like, and I love Dr. Gundry, his phrases. I want you to die young at a very old age. It's beautiful. Right. Right. So that's what people will start to drink, but they don't even, they're not even thinking that way right now. Like in general, the population isn't thinking that way.

 Chris Burres: And so, you know, that's a big, you know, in terms of like taking this opera, in fact, let me kind of roll back about, okay, now, how am I, how did I end up being a reluctant supplement guy? Right. I really believe that people become persons, right? One of two ways, one, they wake up and they decide they want to be wealthy and they decide they're going to do it with supplements. And I have no problem with people being wealthy. It's just not how I ended up here. The other is they have their own kind of physical challenges or maybe the physical challenges of a loved one. And they go out and do the research and they figure out a supplementation or an exercise regime or whatever, whatever the mentality focused coaching thing is. And now they want to save the world. Hopefully it doesn't surprise you.

 Chris Burres: I'm not against people saving the world. It's just not how I ended up here. I've been making this molecule, right? This soccer ball molecule since 1991, they do this crazy toxicity study in 2012, I started getting phone calls, mid 2013 people saying how much in a dose. And you got to imagine I'm a carbon nanomaterial scientists. Like I'm like you put this entires and batteries and solar cells like you don't put this in the human body. We actually added not for human consumption. So from 1991, until 2013, we didn't need to put not for human consumption on any of our bottles. Starting in 2013, it went on every one of our bottles. And I, and I, and obviously I need to add at this point, even in 2013, especially with this particular quote unquote toxicity study, the data was very clear C 60 in properly processed not safe, unsafe peer reviewed, published research ESS 60, which is C 60 process for safe for human consumption, safe, but we're slow moving scientists.

 Chris Burres: That's kind of how we are typically added not for human consumption. So from mid 2013, until 2017, late 2017, not for human consumption is on there. We were getting phone calls like one or two a week about people saying, Hey, I just got to share with you. And by the way, if you always think, okay, supplement placebo effect, we, we had no marketing, right? We were actually saying, don't take this. Imagine how little, how little placebo effect you're enhancing when you're like, Hey, don't take this. It might be dangerous. But people were calling us saying, Hey, like my knee pain is gone or my hair's growing back. And we're like, you mean knee pain of your rat is gone, right? Like the, the hair growth in your rat is accelerated because it says on the label, not for human consumption in late 2013, really October two, 2017, a guy with a big YouTube following started talking about all the benefits.

 Chris Burres: He was getting, taking it on a daily basis. Our phone went from one or two calls a week to like 10 a day. And so we went into 2018, my business partner. And I were like, okay, yes, we're a nano material scientists. We're also entrepreneurs. This is clearly some sort of entrepreneurial opportunity in an industry that were a little low to get in, but what are we going to do? And for us, there was two key questions. One of them is a moral question. Am I comfortable selling it? I take it. My wife takes it. Everybody on our team takes it. I am comfortable selling it or we are comfortable selling it. And then the next really hit in the United States. You've got the FDA and the FTC. So we're following those guidelines. We're doing the disclaimers. When we're out talking about, you know, what this could possibly do, not what it's known to do, but what it could possibly do. And, and so that's where we are now. That's, you know, now we're in the 2021 and survive 2020.

 Wade Lightheart: So let's talk about going back to a question, we kind of never got to it, which was the difference between a one-pound rat consuming it and a 200 pound man or woman. What is the dosage that people take? Is there any caveats? Is there in combination with things, is it taken independently? Is it taken with food? How much do you take? Can you take too much? Can you take too little? What's the effect of dose? Always. We have three things. The, the minimal effective dose, the maximum tolerable dose, or maximum effective dose, and then the optimal dose. So can you explain that all to us.

 Chris Burres: And I think there's one more, cause I don't think maximum is really this, which is like, when would it kill you? Right.

 Wade Lightheart: The lethal dose.

 Chris Burres: Which is well below, like maximum, you know what you might throw out there as maximum, I can say. We have people, in fact, if you think about this original toxicity study, it's the first real toxicity study done on, on the molecule. When you're doing a toxicity study, especially the first one with rats, you don't like, Hey, let's give a little bit to the rats and see if they don't feel well. You like give a ton to the rats. And you're actually, I mean, kudos to those scientists. Right? Because think about this you're, you know, for a fact, when you're a control group is all dead and your quote unquote toxic group is still all alive. That it's not toxic. Right. There's no doubt.

 Wade Lightheart: Yeah. There's some conclusions that you can draw from this. It's obviously not killing the rats.

 Chris Burres: Yes. That's month 32. They continued the study. So all the animal husbandry necessary to keep those rats alive out to month 62. Right. So an additional 30 months, two and a half years, and really, they were down to two rats. One of them passed and they euthanized the last one. Cause we're like, we need to publish our results. Who knows how long this other rat is going to last. And so they ultimately publish the results.

 Wade Lightheart: What was the drop-off rate of the, of the, of the group.

 Chris Burres: It was pretty, it was pretty tight. It wasn't all over the place. It was fairly tight. UI don't, I don't remember what the standard deviation on, on it was, but it was like, it was, let's put it this way. It was the same as the standard on,uthe control rats on those rats given water. Right. So it wasn't just three, two rats lived 62 months. Yeah.

 Wade Lightheart: Well, and the beauty of these situations is that all the rats are living in relatively the same environmental conditions. You're controlling so many of the parameters. So which is different with humans, you've got one person living in downtown,uyou know, new delhi, one person living in, you know, the, the pristine mountains of Montana. There's, there's, there's a different approach. There's a different amount of environmental influences happening to it.

 Chris Burres: Yeah, absolutely. And with those rats, It's really consistent. So so yeah. So on dosing, there's a thing. So they gave a ton to the rats and the rats lift. There's a thing. So by the way, they do this all the time, they take a rat study of medicines, right? Because every medicine has gone through a rat study, a rat toxicity study and, and looking at potentially looking at the benefits of that particular medication. And then they have to bring that into humans. Now have had we dosed humans the same way they dose the rats on a per kilogram basis. Your dosage would be one full cup of olive oil with ESS 60 dissolved in it. So that's obviously not going to happen. Not good. There's more than your daily dose of calories.

 Chris Burres: You're certainly not doing the starve yourself. One third to death, just with that cup of olive oil, there is what's called an an allometric calculation, which basically takes into the metallic. It takes into account the metabolism of the rats and the metabolism of humans. I'm a geeky scientist, the way they do this is they actually it's, it's associating the surface area of the animal is a good way to give you a relative indication of metabolism. So you take the surface area of the rat, you take a surface area of a human, you use that and the standard elementary calculation. And then now you have your per kilogram dosage in the case of a medical test or serving size in the case of our product. Very cool.

 Wade Lightheart: So how much does a person need to take?

 Chris Burres: It's? it's about five mils and.

 Wade Lightheart: Five mils, that's it?

 Chris Burres: Yeah. It's about about a teaspoon. We actually have one convenient kind of the serving size like this. So what I'm holding up as a little kind of plastic ampule that might, if you've ever worn contact lenses and you got your little dropper in a contact lens, we've actually filled something equivalent to that with five mils or one teaspoon of our products. So you can take these on the go. Oh wow. Really cool. Yeah.

 Wade Lightheart: And then you have a larger bottle. Does it go bad? Does it..

 Chris Burres: No, so typically the, yeah, this is our larger bottle. So typically olive oil and that's our recommended oil. We do have MCT oil, we have avocado oil but the original study was done in olive oil. I'm kind of a purist. So I'll do the olive oil I have actually incorporated. So my routine is I kind of do a, a Bulletproof coffee thing, which part of Bulletproof coffee is MCT. So we have an MCT product. I just take, you know, MCT and with, with our ESS 60 molecule in it. And I include that instead of like the Bulletproof brain octane or whatever. And then I'll take about a teaspoon and a half. I just cause it's the big spoon that's in the kitchen. And so that's what I take. And then if I have a salad, which is pretty often, I'll put some of our avocado stuff on the salad in, in general, like if you're going to try it, try the olive oil, it's got the highest concentration of ESS 60.

 Chris Burres: It turns out that you can only dissolve 0.8 milligrams per milliliter in olive oil 0.6, approximately and avocado oil and 0.3 and MCT oil. So that's kind of the diminishing returns. Some people really can't say, and I'll share with you. Our only real complaint is people who take a teaspoon report that it just doesn't sit well on their stomach and to them were. And some people don't like the taste of olive oil I personally do. But if you just stop it up with bread, like you're at an Italian restaurant, eat it that way. That's fine.

 Wade Lightheart: Awesome, and then, so what's the, what's the expense and cost and how do people get this stuff? I want to try this stuff and see how it, is there any somatic effects or…

 Chris Burres: So we have had zero, like the only thing we've had reported to us is that what I just shared with you, which is, Oh, it's oil and I don't really like the taste or it doesn't sit well with me. And yeah, well, like we've got, we can definitely get, get some product too. We actually have a special URL for your listeners. If they're interested in trying it, it's my vital C, C as in forward slash Awesome Health. Right? And then we actually, when you go there, you can get this bottle for $99 or you can get this bottle on subscription for 74.95, 25% savings take advantage of it. You can cancel it at any time. We have 500 five-star reviews, our customer,. I'm very lucky. [Inaudible] just kills it in customer service and we are not, they are not trained to talk you out of your subscription, take advantage of that discount. We also have a coupon code, also Awesome Health and that'll give them an additional $15 off of their original order.

 Wade Lightheart: Wow. That's amazing. How long, like how do you feel anything when you take this product or do you notice anything or is there like, does it take time to build up in the system with some products? Like what what's what's some of the report? It

 Chris Burres: Absolutely. So I'm getting into the realm of sharing, like testimonials, cause this is really like, yeah.

 Wade Lightheart: And so I'm just curious in your own experience.

 Chris Burres: Oh yeah, no, no, I'll share it with you. I'm just going to give the caveats, Hey, any testimonial ever share will be somebody that I'm directly in contact or I could put you in contact if we ever needed to, I don't share like a customer calls me and says their friend, you know, grew a third arm. I, to share that with you for obvious reasons, but just, I like that chain of custody, right? In terms of how quickly does it work? I've got testimonials as short as same day. And as long as well, really, I like this doesn't want you, so one of our bigger district distributors here in Houston, she originally bought the product for her dog and we actually do have a dog and a cat version of the product. And because she noticed such an, a significant difference in her dog, she started taking the product.

 Chris Burres: By the way you talk about placebo effect. Dogs are not in, you know, impacted by the placebo effect. They don't think, Oh, they put that dropper in today. So I'm going to be more young and bouncy today. And then they missed me this morning, so I'm going to skip it. So she gets on the product, her name's Gwen, she gets on the product and, and I'm actually, I did a video with her. So you can like go find this. She said three months in, she would have told you that she hadn't noticed anything yet. Right. But then she said, she stopped and started thinking about like her daily life and how things were going. And she was like, I'm waking up earlier. I was never a morning person. And I'm actually working on that extra hour at night. And then she gave arguably the worst testimonial for a supplement ever, which is she cleaned her garage, which is not on any of our literature, but it does have a, I mean, we all have that project that we haven't done.

 Chris Burres: And what does it take to get that project on our most consistent testimonial is people take it in the morning. They report mental focus and energy during the day, and then better sleep that night. If you're getting better sleep, we all know sleep is good for your mental, physical, and emotional wellbeing. Right? So part of cleaning your job garage, let's face it is emotional. Like, do I want to tackle that project? Is it really worth it? Like, do I really care that much? And then part of it is probably the rest. The fact that she was sleeping better, even though she was waking up earlier or maybe because she was waking up early, she could get to that project I can share with you, my sleep testimonial. I have to embarrassingly admit that on Saturdays and Sundays, I would take two naps before noon.

 Chris Burres: So basically I'd wake up, go sit on the couch. I got twins. They'd sit on me and watch cartoons and I'd take a nap and I wake up get breakfast and then go to literally two naps before noon, since like in 2018 is when I started taking the product on a regular basis. Since then. I just, I barely take any naps. And I definitely don't take two before noon. And I'm in the same situation. I'm with my kids, they're watching cartoons. I'm not tired. And I feel like I'm getting more done around it.

 Wade Lightheart: Super great. Super awesome. So where to, can everybody reach out, find you follow, maybe some of the research or things you're talking about or get ordered this stuff. I know you gave a list and could you just kind of give us all the social media and all the connections and all that stuff.

 Chris Burres: So really it's, I mean, if, and I'll still do this, we're getting busier and busier and that's great. And I feel like we're getting the word out and I'm getting more and more data points. I'm an interesting situation. Cause I didn't like go in the lab and create this for you, Wade. And if you try it and tell me it didn't really work for you, it doesn't crush my soul again. I've been making this powder forever and they have this crazy result. I'm just sharing the message and if it works for you, great, if not, it's another data point for me. Uso yeah, go to the website, my vital forward slash Awesome Health. Uyou can, you can actually call in if you want to have a conversation with me,uthey'll get you on my schedule. And you can find the phone number from our website. Uwe're on Instagram. So forward slash my vital C same thing with Facebook. And that's really, those are the key. Apparently I'm supposed to be on clubhouse because it's been mentioned to me in the last two days. So I don't know.

 Wade Lightheart: Yeah, everybody's on club hosts these days. I know all my friends are hitting me up on it and I'm like another social media channel. I can't do it. I don't know. Maybe I'll end up there. Who knows? I like to talk. And that's what a lot of people are having fun of there. So Chris, I mean, this sounds really exciting. I'm looking forward to trying some myself and for all our listeners go and give it a shot. Give us your feedback, let us know how it is. I'm very curious. I'm into life extension. I believe it's great. I think David Sinclair work and the fact that you've got something that's demonstrated in animals to have an effective, I think it's, it's worth it. Give it a shot. Let me know how it goes. Thanks for so much for sharing with us today on the Austin health podcast, I'm going to give it a shot myself, and then maybe we can check in in six months or a year. And you know, and I'll have my younger version self saying, Hey, you know what? This stuff is amazing. Thanks so much for having and listening to us today. Folks, another addition to the Awesome Health podcast, if you liked this podcast, give us a, like, if you think it's really cool for someone you want to live longer, live stronger, give it a share. And of course we will see you on the next episode.
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