Who do food companies call when their product needs a leap forward?
When a food business searches for a competitive advantage, they look into the food industry’s future. Doing this is not easy, however. It takes a particular superpower to see what is coming – and companies must find a skillful food futurologist. Not some “woo woo” physic. With the company’s future at stake, they need an expert – someone who can take big data and combine it with a knowledge of food history, environmental design, fashion, quantum physics, and quantum philosophy. Throw in talent with pattern recognition, and you have Dr. Morgaine Gaye.
Morgaine founded Bellwether: Food Trends, the world’s first food trend research compendium. She also has her own health-food line of products called Edible Love, which sells globally online.
Morgaine looks at food and eating from a social, cultural, economic, trend, branding, and geopolitical perspective and predicts trends up to 10 years in the future.
‘It Doesn’t Make Scents’ was Morgaine’s talk as part of TED X 2016 (link below.) She is currently writing a book, ‘A Taste of Things to Come,’ about future food trends and why they matter.
Morgaine is a frequent media contributor, appearing on numerous TV shows such as BBC World News to Sunday Brunch.
In this podcast, we cover:
- How Morgaine ended up being a food futurologist
- The giant leap forward Morgaine sees coming for humankind
- How her Ph.D. in quantum philosophy helps her predict the future
- How tribalism affects food and our health
- Where is food trending?
- What does Morgaine see happening with artificial intelligence down the road?
- Some additional predictions Morgaine shared beyond food
“Everything is connected.” — Dr. Morgaine Gaye
Our host Wade Lightheart asked Morgaine how she “sees” the future.
Morgaine: “For me, it almost looks like roots of trees, but as a complete lattice. And we are just a part of this lattice.”
Wade: “Do you see that as linear or as a three-dimensional image? Or a fourth or fifth-dimensional image?”
Morgaine: “I don’t see it. I feel it. I’m just trying to describe it as a feeling into a shape so that people can understand. It’s pretty hard to describe it…just the absolute amazing wonder that we are so connected. It’s ridiculous just as there are no accidents; we are so connected with every little thing, even how certain planets move around other planets. And then you see the exact same shape when you cut an apple in a different direction. That’s just the connections from space to the world to plants, to us, to every single molecule of matter. Whatever’s in that periodic table exists in us.”
In the year 2023…
There are a couple of moments during the interview where Morgaine keeps mentioning the year 2023.
That is when Morgaine sees things changing for the better. “I remember talking about 2020 before it started, and almost on the money, all the bush fires started in Australia. I was like, ‘oh my goodness. Here we go.’ It was just one thing after another. COVID wasn’t the first thing in 2020 that was terrible. It was mass destruction, burning, killing, and lots of lives lost from COVID and other natural disasters.”
According to Morgaine, we have “a crazy time” still ahead until the spring of 2023. At that point, society will “emerge from something,” and humans will move forward with a “better understanding” of life and what is truly important. Spring of 2023 is only two years away. What will come after this “emergence”?
You’ll have to tune in to this episode to hear everything Dr. Morgaine Gaye has to say about food, its future, and how it ties into the future of humanity.
Change is inevitable, and as Wade points out in this interview, survival is not for “the fittest.” Those who adapt are the ones who survive.
Dr. Gaye is a dynamic thinker, speaker, and entrepreneur. Tune in and listen to one of the most profound, most thought-provoking health business owners ever to appear on The Awesome Health podcast.
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Morgaine’s TEDx Talk: It Doesn’t Make Any Scents
Read The Episode Transcript
Wade Lightheart: Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening. It's Wade T Lightheart from BiOptimizers with another edition of the Awesome Health podcast. And today we're going to talk about the future of food, where it's going, where it's come from and what to anticipate in. We have a world renowned expert here, a food futurologist amazing that Dr. Morgaine Gaye, and she's known about food trend research, and she's consulted with a lot of different, big companies, all the names that you would recognize out there. And what's interesting, she wrote or actually was part of a TEDx conference where she presented it doesn't make sense. And so she's currently writing a book called a taste of things to come about future food trends and why they matter. Now, she has been on the BBC and channel four channel five breakfast show in Australia. She joins us from Mexico today. So we might get a little Mexican cultural benefits in the podcast E construction noises, whatever I love it. But the bottom line is we're going to get the information, Morgaine, welcome to the show. Morgaine Gaye: Thank you so much. Hello. Pleased to be here. Thank you. Wade Lightheart: And I'm so delighted because it's not often that you get with someone who's worked so deeply in the food world. And I would like to know for our listeners, because I'm always talking about what transpired basically in the 1940s, after world war II, when we had this massive shift in food production distribution inside the world over the last 80 years, which has changed what we've consumed or evolved to consume. And you're on the other side of that, you're part of the trend setters are the integrators with major brands around the world. How did you get to be the type of person that's into the future of food? Morgaine Gaye: Oh, no, that's the worst question. Anything but that one? So I, I mean, I do know about the past and food history cause we have to, I mean, it will to frame anything in the present and take it forward, but I think it's a bit dangerous to look at the past to think that that's where we're going to know as a reference point to where we're definitely going to go because all exponential graphs don't you know, it just doesn't work that way. The future doesn't work that way. There's always a disruptor and look at 2020, which is a great disruptor, but for me, I was interested in definitely not working in food, actually. So food is just a red herring. I think food is the thing that connects us all. And I look at everything from geopolitics economics what's happening, environmentally design, interiors, fashion, everything plays into what we want, what we're going to want is aspirational and food in the West, especially so actually in every country really is aspirational. And so I started looking at time and I started to be very interesting quantum mechanics from my PhD and then ended up doing quantum philosophy, looking at the way that things connect. And that's kind of what I do now. Wade Lightheart: Okay. So this is awesome. When I was in university, here's a fun fact for people might not know. I befriended kind of, I was kind of like the jock type who had a, kind of a casual interest in physics throughout university. And I befriended physics major who was a bit of a polymath and a super genius. And ultimately he ended up running the Gottlieb space center for NASA and becoming a world renowned plasma physicist. And we used to do all sorts of crazy experiments. And we, he was the classic, the spectacle physicist guy. And I was like the muscle bone weightlifting guy. And we hang out every day and have all these great debates. And he introduced me to Dr. Feinman you know, particularly surely Mr. Fineman, you must be joking. I think it was the name of his book and how he would kind of describe the world in these very unique and interesting ways and your work, obviously quantum physics. Can you explain what that is for our listeners and a layman's terms, but I do believe it's about the entanglement in the potentiation of possibilities. Would that involve things like a string and a collapse of the wave function and possibilities like what's, that is that Morgaine Gaye: Basically, you know, it's just, it's just seeing the world. It's actually not the world not being what we think it is. And we are not, we think that hard matter is reality. And what quantum physics looks at is what, we're, what we don't see. And so asking questions about energy fields and possibilities in time and existence, I suppose. So that's why for me, I never, I ended up doing quantum philosophy instead and which took me down a route where I looked at water and the behavior of water and the behavior of things in nature that we think we know, but we are really not seeing. We can't see. And I think really interestingly about the future, one of the things that's definitely about to happen is that we're going to understand human potentiality from a non-physical perspective, so that we're going to understand the power of the human mind, how things connect about those wave forms and what we can do with that. Morgaine Gaye: What, you know, what I think what we've spent the last, at least a hundred years, at least thinking we're separate from nature, that nature is a thing. And that we're man, and what we are really understanding was start to understand much more and be able to put into play is that we are exactly part of it and are the way we think and the way that we interact and our energies and what we believe all of that impacts on the world, around us and on each other. So at the moment, that just seems a little woo or it's a bit conceptual, or it's a bit sort of something that you might do if you're meditating, it seems a bit other, but it will become mainstream and companies such as ministries of defense. And I've worked with the ministry of defense of Canada, but in the UK in different countries are looking at human energy waves and how they impact on getting information from a collective of people who don't have the answer maybe verbally or knowingly, but can actually access something that is a fundamental truth or a reality. And I guess quantum physics has a long, long answer. Isn't it? That the quantum physics is really that it's the potentiality of, of energies. Wade Lightheart: I love it. I've got a deep interest in both of those a reas of my own life. So I do a presentation which is on water and it was the foundational component was a documentary series that was put out called a water, the great mystery. And inside of it, there was these PhDs and scientists who studied water for some of them 20, 30, even as much as 40 or more years. And I was struck by the first researcher came out and said, well, we don't know that much about water. I thought, well, what humility? You know? And that was great. And then I ran into Dr. Pawlik who made a discovery of the fourth phase of water, which water is one of the only substances which exists in a solid liquid and a gas. And then what he said is a crystal structure. Wade Lightheart: And then there, I forget the researchers that demonstrated that there's 440,000 or so information panels of storage. So who we are as a name and a key and all this sort of stuff. Now on top of that I also participate in neurofeedback training and I've been a meditator for 20 years. And with neurofeedback training, we're using technology to give you direct feedback on the brainwaves that you are associating with different States of consciousness and with a little bit of work, you can rapidly accelerate your ability just because of the feedback systems in people's brains. It's hard to get feedback like until recently we couldn't necessarily get feedback on our carbon brain, but now we're by through wiring our heads up and creating a secondary Silicon bone to observe our own processes. We can optimize brain function. It's an area that we study extensively. Now, all that I'm leading into this. So based on what you're saying which sounds like something right out of the Bhagavad Gita or something like that, but you are explaining that mystical, what is previously associated as mystical States, nonlinear dynamics, you know, woo woo are trending in a direction that even defense organizations around the world are using or experimenting with this technology. And what makes you think that this is going to come to fruition in a public place more and more? Morgaine Gaye: Well, one of the things I've been talking about for a long time before 2020 was that 2020 was this cataclysmic change point. And up until then, we had about eight years of disruptive things happening, lots of things, which we thought to be good and true kinds of the rug was being pulled under from under our feet on our realities. So when 2020 hit one of the biggest things that we've seen between, I mean, obviously it's not 31st of January, 2020, and it doesn't work like that. But around 2020 till the early part of 2023, this for me is a real change period. And we're moving from hundreds and hundreds of years of having as a, as a, as a culture, as a species, as mankind having has been the modus operandi, but having things, having success, having money, having accumulating is what we've done to show that we are human, that we are, that we have meaning. Morgaine Gaye: And so the big question really, as we go forward is what makes us human and what we've experienced during lockdown is that a lot of those things haven't really had any currency, no matter how much money people have had, they haven't been able to action that freedom, so travel or seeing people that they love, or just having personal freedoms have been taken away and huffing suddenly became less valuable, you know, all of this stuff, but actually, what does it mean? Do I, you know, I'm not even leaving the house now, so what does that mean? And we're moving into this period of knowing and our question about what it means to be human is about the knowing and that knowing when we've often talked about AI and digital, we've also separated us from that. So that's the AI, this is us, and what we'll start to see as this interface of technology and human beings. Morgaine Gaye: So that, I mean, you know, we're using an old phrase of optimize self, but, but it's really going to be much more nuanced, very niche. It's completely about who, who are we as human beings? How are we connected to every other sentience thing on the planet, including trees and plants. And we've already seen lots of studies and research on that, but it's not just that we'll be having a secondary in that it will start to become what we are most keen on. So that the commodity of the future for businesses, not just for individuals is kindness and love. And we'll see that playing out where businesses will now be not what can we sell and how can we sell, but how can we serve? And it will change the whole face of desires are a whole platform of what it means to be human Wade Lightheart: It's it's that's wow. That's such a great conceptual idea. And some people would say, well, that seems very Pauling, AMA probably, you know, Pollyanna kind of thing. Like, is that, is that, how can you speak so confidently considering we've had, you know, kind of thousands of years of certainly civilization, which is the hierarchy of dominance probably moved from originally the tribal societies, which is who is the capable to punt well to then who can produce the most grain and store it and sell it and its associated conf commodities, which then developed into the cash systems and economic systems and capitalistic systems and then the rise of corporations and what you're suggesting is a complete break away from those engines almost as if we're moving, you know, from the agricultural age, into the atomic age, into the information age and from the which were really is now the intention fate age, can you get somebody's attention into the service age? Would that be right? Or would it be a consciousness? Say like how, how would you determine this almost star Trekkie and concept of Morgaine Gaye: Talk about it like that? I think about it like that. But for me, when I was talking about what was about to come in 2020, in early 2019, of course, people were just asleep mostly in the audience. Because how could you possibly think that's going to happen? So I was showing pictures of people in masks and viruses in Petri dishes. This was at the beginning of 2019. And, and of course it just seems like the world cannot change that much in the space of a year if I was on stage. So I'm just going to let you know that things are going to change. So you're never going to be able to live life that you've got right now will never look like this again in 2020, we're going to look back at your life in 2019 and go, wow, I cannot believe we were doing that. Morgaine Gaye: And then of course we only have to look at old movies and look at people hugging on TV. I'm like, Oh my goodness, they're so close. So it's completely changed our perspective of what can happen almost overnight, how a world can shift overnight and how people's aspirations and ES and every single thing about their lives has completely shifted. Well, this is the shift that we're in. And so the stuff that I'm talking about to me doesn't seem very far fetched, but I mean, I suppose because I'm predicting five to seven years in advance all the time, but I think what we've been living through felt a lot more far-fetched for people to accept. But what we know now is that the biggest thing that's feels that has meaning is other people. It's the thing that we all miss. We miss skin. We miss, you know, we have a skin, human skin deficit, other people touching other people, being connected, and that stuff really has shown it's how powerful and how meaningful it is and how the simple things are really all we need. Morgaine Gaye: And we've come to the realization of so much stuff. It's actually a burden. We want to get rid of things. I've been talking about that for about six years. Rowe say, we're not that far away from a time when you're going to have to pay people to take your things off you right now, you're paying to get things, but we're not that far away from actually, can't just give them away now to Goodwill because there was like, we've got too much, you know, we've just too much already. So we were heading into just, it's just for me it doesn't seem like a massive change because it's exponential changes. I've been tracking over decades, I suppose. So it doesn't see such a big, a big shift, but of all the experiments. There's a great, there's a great book by Linda, a journalist called limit tickets. Morgaine Gaye: And she wrote a book quite a few years ago called the intention experiment. And it was just about nothing, no nothing. So technological really is the stuff you're talking about, where you could really map the brain. It was just intention. What happens when people put their attention on something? And one of the experiments was that they took two plants that were exactly the same. I think put them in a high school, both behind a glass cage. And they said that whenever high school students pass this particular plant, they had to say, you're beautiful. I love you. You're amazing. When you pass this particular plant, you see your ugly or nothing. You've meaningless. And those plants over a period of time, one flourished of course, and one died. Just think that's just the power of the human mind. It's something so simple that we haven't managed to either be conscious of or harness yet. Morgaine Gaye: And consciousness of course sounds very you know, talking about consciousness, it's, it's a little bit more of a religious idea, but I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about the subconsciousness is what we've just think about stuff. And we think we're having an original thought. So when I worked at universities, in fact, I did a lecture yesterday and I'm going to check in with them tomorrow to see what they've done. And the question is I want them to I've shown them what was happening 10 years ago, that the cataclysmic things that happened in the world 10 years ago, that they, that they wouldn't, they that's been in the world forever for them. You know, like the iPad or, you know, can you imagine 10 years ago before that there was no iPad. So things like that. So I said, this is what happened 10 years ago. Morgaine Gaye: All of these cool things that you now take for granted. So what I want you to do is project. What's going to happen in 10 years time, what are we going to be wearing? Are we going to be going to work? They're just asking them questions to answer. I said, look, of course you don't know the answer, make it up, just make up your ideas of what you can, what the first thing that comes to your mind. And then when they go into the breakout rooms together, they will find there's. A lot of them have said the same thing. Why is that? Wade Lightheart: Well, I think Carl Young put forth years ago that people aren't possessed by ideas, ideas, possess people which would indicate a, more of a seat of consciousness. That one accesses as all potential aspects of say realities that could potentially happen or exist. And you tune into it with your, the land tenant and pick it up and then we take ownership. Well, that's my idea. And then of course now with mass media dispersion which is our ability to connect through the digital medium has probably maybe in some ways it's, it's kind of ironic. It's, it's separated us in such an interesting way, but also has connected us in such an interesting way. It's kind of a dualistic seemingly opposing set of forces. I'm curious, I guess, how did you, because you're saying some of the things that's happening, it hasn't surprised you, I want to go backwards in time into Morgaine's life. Oh. So, because I think there's always clues in the, the, the lives, how a person lives that led them to kind of go down this path, which is a very unusual path. And I'm fascinated by it. Can you go back in time and start see where you kind of a dreamer where you kind of thinking about the future or did this kind of just naturally come about when you got to a certain point in your educational career and said, Hey, I'm going to get into, you know, I've never had a philosophy of physics. Morgaine Gaye: I've no, I've never had any kind of planet. And that's been part of the problem. I do remember being about eight or nine with friends who were using their pocket money to buy candy and sweets. And I had this idea, of course, it's, you know, it's a crazy thinking of a nine year old who has the, all the answers to the world. And I would say, if you think about how much time it takes to buy those sweets and that candy and eat it, then you probably looking at about, let's say half an hour. So let's not buy the candy and sweets. Let's wait half an hour. Now we've had that time, but you didn't buy the candy and sweet. So you saved the money. So I was thinking about this idea of how we could seem really rational at the time. It seems pretty crazy now that we could live into the future and almost, I don't even, I can't even really, really understand it now. So I was definitely thinking about that sort of thing, Wade Lightheart: Essentially, running a potential time experiment, kind of like a resource management. If we save the, if we, if we didn't go down that particular potential outcome by eating, buying the candy, eating it and taking up that time, we could salvage that potential time and create a different reality. Morgaine Gaye: Yes. That sort of thing. So I was in that thinking, however, I mean, I really had no planner was, I thought I would have liked to have been an architect and just lots of things happened in my life, which meant that that didn't happen for me. And my education was really fragmented. And yeah, I have pretty complicated childhoods and I lived in a few different countries subsequently sort of in a parallel way. So I lived in England and also in the middle East and I've living two very, very different lives. One was extremely opulent, one was extreme poverty. And so I had these two lives that were concurrent and lots of things, very fragmented and traveled an extensive amount because I left home very young as a teenager. And so yeah, I've had no plan really, and how it became a lot more concrete for me about what I do now is because a friend of mine who worked at the BBC at the time she was doing the BBC world service and they were doing a program called business 2025, which at that point seemed like buzz light year. Morgaine Gaye: I mean, it was like something where people were in space suits and, you know, helmets or whatever. And she said, Hey, look, somebody dropped out, can you step in? We've got six topics. You've got to talk about what you think the future of the six topics. It should, you'll be fine. Just do it. And she's known me since I was at school, so I just sort of did it. And I thought, Oh, that was pretty easy. And that's just some of the things that I talked about, one was electric cars, actual futurologists on the program said, Oh no, that's never going to happen. People will never drive electric cars. And I, and I said, Oh yeah, people definitely do that. So a lot of the things that we've talked about over some of them have come to pass now. And I just remember thinking at the time these people, I don't think they know what they're talking about. So, so that was, that was the beginning really. Although I did have a PhD by then, and I did have some understanding of things by then, but but yeah, I never really, Wade Lightheart: What was your PhD? What was your PhD? And it was constant. It was quantum philosophy. Okay. So can you explain for our listeners what quantum philosophy might entail? Morgaine Gaye: So the way that things connect, which is what I do now and the title, I mean, obviously PhDs, to be honest are, you know, some topic on a grain of rice that nobody reads generally. So I don't want to diss anybody else out there. Who's it? Wade Lightheart: Eric Weinstein, Eric Weinstein comments about that in his podcasts quite frequently, even though there's all these groundbreaking ideas that could transform the world and they're buried behind all sorts of institutional components. Morgaine Gaye: Yeah. I mean, that's the thing is that I think for me personally, it was game. It was life-changing because it helped me to understand my question. Really. I did a PhD, not because I thought I'm going to have a great career off the back of, because I would've probably done an MBA. I thought that was going to be helped my career, but I did it because I wanted to understand why we were alive. What's the point of being alive? Not that I wanted to die, but I just thought it's a bit of a pointless exercise, isn't it? So that was my premise. And I wanted to understand how I fitted into the complete matrix of the world and how it all connected. So what that sort of a seemingly invisible lattice of existence is, and I have to say, I was completely mind blown by the second year. Morgaine Gaye: It blew my mind, but getting a PhD is not well for me. Anyway, what I found is that you get all of this amazing information where you get mind blown, and then you learn how to do a PhD, right? And often these two things are very separate. So now I could probably knock out a PhD very quickly because there's a, there's, there are four, it's a format, it's a format of learning and answering questions in a way that is, has some flow and bring something new to body of research. However, the actual stuff that I got from it was much more than that. Wade Lightheart: So I want to dive into this a little bit deeper because it's tough. Morgaine Gaye: I never talk about this stuff. It's really weird. It's like so old. Anyway, Wade Lightheart: This is a topic that I would say intimately connected in when I was 22, I had a near death experience and some of the classical things, the life review and met what I felt was the grand source of, of everything. And, and within that had a judgment, like I wasn't judged, I, within the perfection of infinity, I was able to review myself from a different lens than I had available to me as a 22 year old and in that life and went through the past lives and reborn and all these sort of things. And then I came to this point where I came to and felt like all possibilities existed. We can use an illustration as like a three-dimensional orb. And you start at the center point when you drop into this field. And then there's these kind of a Newtonian paradigm causality based forms where you kind of go down this pedestrian methodology based on the choices you make, you go to this part of the globe, or you go to this part of the conscious Clover, this part or whatever. Wade Lightheart: And in that one, I felt that I had expired in physical form, but somehow I was able to jump my consciousness from prior to the complete expiration of that quantum possibility into this new quantum possibility that was able to continue on with the retention of that other possibility. And since w that I had no experience with any of those things, like it was totally way off the, you know, for a guy that just fell off the turnip truck from a rural part of Canada and had no historical ref reference to any of that stuff. It was a mindblower. And I felt like a piano was going to fall on my head or something like for about two weeks until I kind of adapted to the new world and, and set me off. And of course I was running these consciousness experiments with my PhD friend. Wade Lightheart: I referred to earlier, we were quite flabbergasted by the whole thing. And we're trying to source out the possibilities of what that could mean, and that led me eventually into meditation and consciousness, research, and neurofeedback and potential stuff. And so what's your take based on what you've said to this whole thing that we call life, and then I guess, death, what would you, how would you interpret those things from your perspective at this point in what seems like a very real physical existence, but that might be somewhat subjective if you get really at it, would you, would you say, wow. Morgaine Gaye: So it's, it's always very hard to talk about these things, isn't it? Cause it's interesting how you use the, you know, you're using physical visits visible examples, like the, all, you know, how we've somehow creates. We've tried to make sense of existence. For me, it almost looks like just like roots of trees, but complete lattice. And we are just eight part of this lattice. Wade Lightheart: Do you see that as a linear or do you see it as a three-dimensional image or do you see it as a fourth or fifth dimensional industry? Morgaine Gaye: I don't really see it. I feel it. Okay. So I don't really see, I'm just trying to describe it as a feeling into a shape so that people can, it's pretty hard to just describe it wherever you see it. I don't want to preach my languaging feeling that and having studied it for my PhD and I'm being exposed to some of that. Just the absolute amazing wonder that we are, we are so connected. It's ridiculous just as there are no accidents, it's, we're so connected with every little thing, even just the way in which certain planets move around other planets. And then you see exactly the same shape when you cut an Apple in a different direction. That, I mean that just the connections are from space to the world to plants, to us, every single molecule of matter. You know, whatever's in that periodic table exists in us. Morgaine Gaye: You know, we are most like we are the world [inaudible] so, so the, that all of that stuff is in there, however, yes, of course we have free choice in the power of the mind is incredible, but because of the way in which for me, this is just my perspective and it's changed actually over the year. So this is my current perspective is that although we have free choice, we would only ever choose things that we are destined to choose anyway for me. So it's not that I necessarily believe with preordained destiny. However, for me as a futurologist, when I've predicted things coming, I have to I've barely ever been wrong. And I D it's not because I am psychic. I couldn't tell you your lotto numbers or, you know, I don't know any of that stuff, but there is a, there is an order of things and that flow and that order of things we are in this moment of that flow like a river. Morgaine Gaye: This is our moment. That's no that you and I are on the planet at this time having this conversation. This is our moment, but it's almost for me, like an elliptical time loop. We are, we have already lived this. So, you know, that sort of deja VU feeling is because we've been there already one time, we've done this for reliving. And I so remembering, and the member of that is our human form. Them, you know, we have yeah, I just feel like we are remembering a, a reality and I mean, even reality is a pretty weird word for me anyway, cause we don't really know what that is. Wade Lightheart: Right? Yeah. I always love that. Like people say like you're, you're, you're not dealing with reality. Well I think it was Ramana Maharishi that said, well, you know, there's no sense of being upset at the world because the world that you see doesn't actually exist,It is as you see it as, as you perceive it. So that's what I sort of think that about water. I'm saying, this is my, my experience of it. And there are lots of things that I would have loved to done and my fantasy jobs and my fantasy life. But, you know, actually now I realized they were not for me. I am, what I do is for me, whether I like it or not, I almost don't even know if I like it, Wade Lightheart: But I feel Morgaine Gaye: Like I'm doing it. This is I can't separate it from me. And I feel like, therefore, I am in the perfect flow of it. No, I think when we're striving for something, sometimes when it is just too hard, it's not for us. And I think there's something about that is that we are, we, we are part of this perfect balance and we're in that. And so in some ways, this is, this is what we've come in with. This is I've come in with, this is who I am. This is what the potentiality of my choices. These are the choices I probably would make. Of course I can make my life better or worse than one at a moment by moment basis. Of course I can affect things. You know, like I could turn this podcast off right now or whatever, you know, you have choices, but generally I just feel like we are choosing the things that are there for us. Morgaine Gaye: And so it seems like a full world of potentiality, but of course I could be a racing car driver, but I have no interest in that. You know, I might have the capability to be a great, I don't know, astronauts, but I don't have an interest in that. So I would never go down that route. And I think that's the thing is that whenever we could say to people, you can have anything you want, you could be anything you want it, all of those. There's an option for everybody because all of those slots aren't taken up. There's only the only option that you're going to be the best at is you. Cause that is your slot. Wade Lightheart: Oh, there's so many, I got so many questions. It's such a fun conversation. Yeah. Well, you know, that's why we call this the awesome health podcast, because I think we're all trying to you know, we, I want to get full license to just going where whatever happens, I'm a witness to it. So based on what you're suggesting, do you feel that consciousness or what you experience as your life is a singular unique and separate existence from all that is? Or is it just your, an aspect of consciousness itself? Reflecting upon the total picture? That's the second one. Okay. So then, so then tell me about life and death. Since you brought up the component of, well, what's the whole point of being here. Morgaine Gaye: It's just energetic. It's just energies. And we're just reflecting. We're just a different reflection of the same thing. We're just one version of, it's like a snowflake, we're all snowflakes. We're just, it's, we're just often, not obviously Morgaine Gaye: Well, we're talking about snow in real terms. So, you know, snow is one big thing, but it's made up of tiny little things. They're all individual and unique, but they all reflect snow. And I think that's it. And I think that we are matter, but we're also, you know, where we're sort of body riding energy and energy continues, the body dies and that's all it is. It's just a flow of energies, disappearing in a physical form and appearing in other physical form. Wade Lightheart: Okay. So do you, so would you ascribe them that it's possible or do you believe that someone would reincarnate in a different form or a different place in a different time and space based on that? Or do you think once the song ends, that's it you dissipate into the field itself? Never to be seen again? Morgaine Gaye: Well, I think that an energy can't disappear. So you might have fragments of the energy in the next incarnation of other, but not necessarily you are reincarnated. Wade Lightheart: So based on that, going to intention and futurology, would you say that your intentions in this life could potentially the re-emergence of that, those intentions in a, maybe let's say you had a D Oh, I'll do a real experiment here. I thought experiment for our listeners. So let's say I want it to be a center in the NBA and at five foot eight, that's just not going to happen in this reality, but I envisioned myself in that space over and over and over again. And then upon the dissolving of this existence, I re-emerged in my next form as a seven foot two with extreme athletic ability, you know, bored next to an Ivy league university that would see the, see me in a coach. Do you think that those, what appears to be random distribution of potential is not actually random because it looks random from a very narrow framework of the present. When in fact it is a result of the myriad of intentions over vast aspects of what we call time, which are not, which are not limited to the localized perception of me. And this moment as I am in physical form with name and identity and historical components relative to physical incarnation. Morgaine Gaye: I think the only difficulty with that of course is that it's a, it's a very linear human thought. Okay. And I, for me and I just, yeah, and I just don't think that it works that way and I just don't think it goes physical form energy next physical form. I think it's a little bit more disparate than that. I just don't see it as something that is so therefore you thought it, you might not get it in this life, but that's your next, that's your next go? I don't know. It just seems a little bit too convenient and I just don't think it works like that. I just don't think it's that convenient for us. I don't think we get to have this fantasy life and I'd like to be a dancer. I mean, I don't know where I've got that from because I've never even done a dance class. So I would have loved a bit of dance without any ability whatsoever. So I've never thought about it too much. And I love to go and see modern dance. And I really love dance a lot, but I don't think I'm going to come back as a dancer in any shape or form. I think that's sort of, it's very human pedestrian with wishful thinking that makes you feel better about what you didn't achieve in this lifetime. Morgaine Gaye: We're always looking, you know, we are very much we're meaning making mammals. That's the big thing about human beings. We are always trying to make meaning from things, Oh, look, it's a bit of a splotch and a paper, but it looks like a dinosaur, you know, we always want to make meaning. And so that's another way we want to make meaning of our lives, which actually sorry to say for me, they are really meaningless. Wade Lightheart: Oh, okay. So that's so I think it was Victor Frankl. Yeah. Wade Lightheart: Vic, Victor Frankl in his book, man, I think it was man's search for meaning and talked about, you can extract as supportive meaning out of the most horrific situations because of this pattern defining system that seems to go with human consciousness, therefore what it is is what one makes of it to a certain extent. But you can also, that can kind of go down to kind of that kind of solipsism kind of concept where you're just like, well, the only thing that matters is what I think something is, which becomes almost in their cystic from a human thing. It could be very nihilistic on another level, but it seems that you're not from that mindset that you've, you're able to see what's coming as a as a new trend. Is that because of what you feel is the collective conscious patterning and how they're going to extract meaning in the future? Or do you think this is just the emergence of some centropic physical things where things tend to reorganize into more complex natures after a period of entropy? Is it some other thing? What, how do you, how are you able to determine what's happening in the future? Morgaine Gaye: I find it very hard to answer really because I do, I'm looking at, you know, I, I see, I mean, I'm looking at stuff all the time and everything, things that I wouldn't necessarily, I mean, I think one of the things that we generally do, if you don't do my job is that you go through life, being interested in what you're interested in. And we only have so much capacity for what we see, what we take in that we have a however broad, that vision is it's specific to our likes and dislikes. So we might walk past a store. Okay. I don't wear women's shoes. So I'm not going to look in that store. A guy might say, however, that store that's like sports, get gear and that'd be totally stereotypical. I might like that store, you know? So we have a specific where we just wipe that one out. Morgaine Gaye: I'm going to look at this. So for me, I look at all of it and I go into stores that I'm not interested in. And I talk to people that aren't in my kind of subgroups of likes and dislikes. And, you know, we tend to hang out with people like us. So we have conversations that corroborate our worldview. So don't do that too much because you'll only get more of yourself. So it's, it's really trying to be interested and to pick up on the nuances. I think they're subtle. And sometimes I can't even put words to them. They're just a feeling. Hmm. That's interesting. It could be a question. You can just be a random thought about something and I don't dismiss it. It's a bit like that feeling when you think, should I take an umbrella today? Nat, we find, and then it rains and you think I knew I should've taken umbrella. Morgaine Gaye: That's we all having those thoughts all the time, but we're dismissing them. So I try not to dismiss those thoughts. And then off the back of that, I trying to devise some future words. Silos would say big trend silos and try and prove the more disprove them across category. And some of it is, starts to be based on feeling. It's a combination of things. And I have to say, when it's a new kind of trend that's coming forward, what I have to do is step out of my own reality and step into a future place. It's not something I can consciously do. I don't know exactly what I'm doing there, but I do know that when I first stepped up and started saying in a George Bush, George Bush, Trump go way back. Trump is going to be, president is definitely going to be president people. Morgaine Gaye: He was just at the beginning of being a runner in the race. And people just thought it was a joke. You know, it was just like some guy from a TV reality show, you know, whatever. There's never going to happen. What a funny thing, huh? It's so funny to get Trump to it. And I said, Oh, that's, that's the president. And it's, even for me, if I actually stepped back into my own truth, you know, like Brexit is going to happen, it's going to be a thing. Then I can't predict it because I then have to deal with what does that mean for me? And that's, what's really difficult. And I've only really, I only really fully understood this to be true when I was talking about 2020. And I was, and I've got this video of me saying, you know, Oh everybody, you know, all these things are going to happen and you're not going to know your own life and you need to prepare. Morgaine Gaye: And if you don't, if you think you can just do the same things, you can, it's always been successful. All of that's going to change. However, I wasn't listening to that. I'm giving all this great advice and warning everybody about what's going to come and just saying, you know, your life, as you know, it it's going to change. But I didn't think that applied to me because it's almost like I'm floating above the present. I'm talking about a future that will come, but I'm disconnected from it. It's the only way I can predict it. So like a complete fool, I didn't make any preparation of what his future would be. In 2020. My life had been traveling around the world, flying around the world, speaking to massive audiences. And of course the two things that went immediately was flying around the world. I'm speaking to massive audiences. I had no contingency plan. So that's how I know. I don't know how I fully do it, but I know that I also, I'm not listening. Wade Lightheart: I can relate on a certain level relative to the field that I've been in. I've been in this field of athletic development and sports. And I spent a lot of time alone as a young teenager during CA developed contemplate of, I would say practice really, but out of force, not out of any design, it was a circumstance of my life that did that. And I did have certain capabilities to see, for example, you know, where my career went and where we lead today into biohacking and the, the, the optimization of cellular function and the increase in capacity to enjoy life through optimizing cellular function. And also maybe even potentially extending it into the future. And it's one of the reasons we have this. And of course your field is determining and helping large companies and stuff, determine what the future is in various areas. Wade Lightheart: And they hire you to do, to do this. How did you come into that? Like how did that all happen and why did these companies come to you per se, to kind of see into the future? Do you think, are they, are they seeing that this new service model is coming, that they really have to redefine how they do business, how the companies might be structured, how they interact with governments or citizens? Like how, how based on what you've said, that things are going to be very, very different in 2023 and you know, eight or 10 years down the road, what do you see coming? And are companies also seeing the same things? Are you leading? Like, how does that interact the interaction between you and them happen? Morgaine Gaye: Lots of questions. I'm trying Wade Lightheart: To get to kind of like the crux of what you do and why you feel this way, or why people are coming to you to say, Hey, going, we know that you're on track and we need to listen to. Morgaine Gaye: Yeah, well initially of course, when I was doing this, nobody was coming and I was offering it for free. I'm saying to people I'd just come and speak at your organization, like, yeah. And then not this week. So, so, you know, I couldn't do it for free at one point. And then people would ask me to do it for free, but I would sort of, they would always sell it in as you know, you'll get exposure, right? So that's, Wade Lightheart: What was your today? It's very dangerous, right. Canceled. Morgaine Gaye: And it was, and it was just, it was really difficult. And it's been a long, hard path because when I started to do this, nobody else was doing it. So companies obviously didn't really know that they needed it, but what companies have always done is pretty much responded to an instant consumer need with food companies. They take, I mean, if it's a big company, it takes a long, long time to do all the due process and diligence to come up with an idea to sense, check that through a gazillion routes. So they don't waste their money, make a little widget for a factory, make the packet, do the design, all the branding, all the moment. It's a huge oil tanker of, of change to create one product that gets to market. If you are lucky within about three years, that's how long it takes typically for a large organization to make an item of food. Morgaine Gaye: So they were responding to a market need that they'd identified that had already passed. So by the time they create the food, they probably not a market leader. It often takes, you know, that that's why the small innovators, the groundbreakers are the small guys, making it in their kitchen, selling it to friends and family. Then in a market, then they get into a grocery store. One, you know, that's how the big stuff, the new stuff happens. So large organizations have over the years plateaued and realize that the big game-changers, which of course they buy out. So say a company now you see companies all the time, they come up with some great ideas and they get bought out by the big guys, because the big guys, Wade Lightheart: One principal in TL, once you get a certain level of dominance in a digital structure, that the best way to innovate is to simply just buy all the innovation that comes up. Morgaine Gaye: That's right. And so that's what the big guys do, but they've realized. And what they've started to do is to have little subsections sort of like separate companies within their company, who are the innovation hub, the NPD, the real new product development team who are innovating and under allowed to take risks. So smaller stuff, that's a bit more risky. And so within that, they have now been over the last, definitely over the last few years, they've got people who are future tracking. And of course, you've got now those future agencies, the big agencies who are selling their future trend reports often with the, the, the difficulty has always been that's one of the things that big companies love is data. And one of the big things that I always say is that that's all well and good, but you all, that's already old by the time you got that data and crunch that data and put it into a format and you've got these numbers and everyone loves that, you know, statistics, numbers, but it's already old stuff. Morgaine Gaye: It's it's no. Where did the data show? 2020? Where was the data when 2020 happened? There was none correct. Where was the data when Brexit happened? All of the think tanks that it wouldn't happen. Where were, you know, where were these? It just doesn't work that way. And, and it's very, it's still quite challenging. I mean, still when I work with becomes depends on who they are. I mean, I, you know, I, now I'm known in that world of food generally, but still it does take for people to understand that I am not going to be doing it in that way. So one of the, I think one of the companies I'm set to work for will be a large Canadian company that's that makes milk products. And for them they've never worked in a way where they haven't had someone sort of tender for the job and then send them a report of how are they, you know, how are you going to do this work? Morgaine Gaye: And what's your methodology. And where's your research. And show me, show me the the statistics for this stuff that you're going to present to us, and then we'll pay you. It's like, yeah, probably not the person for you then there's I don't work that way. And then were like, Oh, no. Okay, okay. We're going to probably let's have a look at that new way. I think companies now more than ever, and it's only really happened in 2020, where companies go here, you know what things we just can't predict it in the same way. Things are not the same. We have to take a different way, but it's only just happened. So for people like me, in some ways, it's a relief that people are now listening and open to the possibility or other future realities, which seemed a little bit out there. Although some of, you know, when I do a trend briefing, I mean, it's very, very visual. It's mostly pictures, just like all pictures of the feeling and the mood of what we're going to be eating in the future and examples of why that is and how you can see it across category, but still it's always been, there's still things that I have shown and people have laughed and thought, okay, well it sounds kind of entertaining. Like, no, this is what's happening, but now they're more, I think they're more likely to listen now. Wade Lightheart: Ah, that's so beautiful. I love it. I know I've had many debates with my co-founder who is a great entrepreneur and a guy that says data shapes, destinies. And I'm like, no, I think intention shapes futures. [inaudible] The data of being I think more Newtonian of this idea of causality or co correlative causality, I think would be a more appropriate designation of the information yet. You know, I want it to be, give an example that the listeners can connect with and you can kind of expand on this in relative to food. I, I set an intention after seeing a bodybuilding magazine that I was going to compete in the Mr universe, like Mr. Arnold Schwarzenegger. And I set about a deterministic amount of actions that eventually 16 years later led me to that reality. There was no data. In fact that I hadn't even won a contest. Wade Lightheart: After 10 years of training, I sucked. There was, there was no data that would support that. That was even going to be possible for me. And then a series of extremely unusual events happened. And one being my development into Eastern philosophy and commitment to meditation and spirituality, and then the possibility happened. And, and there was writing that I read by my spiritual teacher that said, well, if something doesn't exist and it's right and noble for a year soul, then it will be created for you. And I literally experienced that in order to go to the Mr. Universe by unusual set of circumstances that allowed me to go. And I thought, wow, that's cause I wanted to put that idea to the test because that was very counter Western thinking, very Eastern thinking, but very counter Western. So I was like, okay, that's great. So I think that there's some concordance here between how maybe you see the world or see the future and how I see the future share with us, how you see the future of food, where that trend is going and what you envision or Intuit, whatever you want to call it. Wade Lightheart: Project. Morgaine Gaye: Definitely not into it. Yeah. Wade Lightheart: Okay. So, so what do you see happening in the world of food? Morgaine Gaye: Well, yeah, like I said, food for me is all of the things. So, so Wade Lightheart: Yeah, let's, let's start there. Let's start with your definition of food because I have an unusual definition of food, which is based in physics. I'd like to know what your definition of food is. Okay. Morgaine Gaye: I don't really have a definition of food, but one of the things that I always say about food is that connects everything. It's religious, it's cultural, it's spiritual, it's a very personal, it is about taste. Organoleptic tastes how we taste, you know, how we what's it taste like, but also what does it say about us that we've got good tastes. We like, everyone likes to think they've got good taste. You know? So when you're in a supermarket and you see someone with their ready meal for one and a frozen chicken, and then you've got this great food, like, Oh, we're making a little judgment about what you've got in your trolley. You know? So it's all about that. It's about the taste. It's about history. It's about what your parents ate, what, who, the people that you hang out with, if you're a vegan, you hang out with other vegans, probably you're more likely if you're into health food that you've got other people, you know, it's just, it touches every part of who we are. Morgaine Gaye: So for me, food is everything and it's also just dinner. So it's, it's almost the whole spectrum of the whole of existence. You could read through food because it's behavioral and cultural and there's so much metaphor. And also it is just some fuel for us. And I, you know, of course the gut is the second brain and the microbiome. And we understand so much now that where I think we're going in the future with food. One of the things is that we will, when we talk about personalized diets, it's we don't even understand what that means right now. We think that we have this knowledge and therefore this knowledge is true. And that point would be good for you. However, that just also is not true. So for example, you could say, okay, well, if you're a vegan things that will be good for you. Morgaine Gaye: Be pulses. They will be good. So things like chickpeas and beans and all of those things where you get your protein, because that's our obsession right now, but it's just marketing by the way, that whole protein thing. It's a whole load of nonsense. I know, cause I work in those companies. So, you know, you know what you're promoting and what the, what the zeitgeists is for people who are going to bite into the words that sound scientific, that's going to be the thing that they think they need. So, so for me, for example, I don't eat meat. I haven't eaten meat since I was a child, but I can't eat beans and pulses. And I didn't know that until a few years ago, when I found out they had a gene, which is called the MTHFR gene, which means we can't digest those things, it makes us really ill. Morgaine Gaye: And I couldn't understand why I had stomach ache all the time. Every evening looked like I was about to give birth. So those sorts of things, they just, one size doesn't fit all. So we're going to be looking at that DNA. We're going to be looking at all of our genes, our microbiome, our, our cultural thing really matters where we've come from and we'll understand that. So if you are 10th generation Japanese, pure Japanese, that food type that you've eaten is part it's. It's so easy for you. That's what you naturally do, which is why, when we we've introduced things like dairy into Japan, they are experiencing for the first time. Things are hormonal cancers, like breast cancer and testicular cancer and obesity, which they'd never dealt with before, because that's a new food for them, for their species. It is this, we are a species and we have genetics that enable us to digest lactose and milk or not digest lactose and milk. Morgaine Gaye: And for example, if you're typically, if you're black, you can't digest lactose. Typically if you, from an Asian background, you can't digest lactose. If you have red hair, you're much more likely to be able to digest lactose. So it's not even, it's not, we are, we have to look at race and we have to look at culture in terms of finding what works for us, but even more nuanced than that, it's really about all of the snips in our DNA. It's all of the things that our microbiome. And we'll start to understand that. So that's the future of diet for us as close to nature, as possible, as unadulterated as possible. Pretty much if it's sold on TV to buy it the closer to the earth, you can get the better. So just picked eat. That's it? Because we are space age men really well we're living in a space stage time, but we just cave men. Morgaine Gaye: We're just the basic form. Not much has really changed so that we need to eat as close to the source as possible. And that's who we are. It's we, we might read it and go, Oh, it's great. It's got whatever. And we understand that with our brain because we've educated around it, but we only have to go back a few generations, put those labels in front of our ancestors and they'll go, I don't know what it is. The body is those ancestors, the body doesn't know what it is either. It's processing it, it's managing it. But of course we have an epidemic. We have a health epidemics, we have mental health epidemics. Physical mental are always connected. Everything, you know, we are in this time that we could to start understanding that. And that's where tech comes in because we'll be able to have technology, which we can just breathe in. It will already have all of our data. We can scan that technology around the apothecary of our future, which is our kitchen. And it will beep okay. Vitamin K. That's what I'm sure it's, up-to-date boop is in that purpose, in that, and it's in that great. That's what I'm going to eat. So what elements Wade Lightheart: You, you, it's funny that you say that because this is exactly what we do at BiOptimizers. In our customized programs, we take peoples, for example, I have an array of tests right here at my hand. So I've got that I'm engaging in my retesting. We retest periodically based in, I have. So we have genetics and epigenetics here. We have our blood sugar tests. We have a GI map here. We have a hormone test and we have a heavy metals test. We have a bio strap technology, which all gets plugged into. And then we have genetics and epigenetic researcher, which will monitor. And of course we do blood testing and urine testing and stool testing. And then we get back that data. And then we make calculated changes to optimize various components that live to go to our life. And we're now in the process of building digital applications, as you just said. Wade Lightheart: So our D our development team is literally take, you'll feed this data in there, and it will be able to prompt you as to, Hey, you're exactly what you just said, Oh, you need to up this and down this, or avoid this. And then of course, with our chemical technology, we develop enzymatic solutions for digestive issues or digestive optimization in the case of myself and our people and probiotic, different types of probiotics and things that fix the leaky gut and all these sorts of kind of interesting tech that we, and, you know, we have research team that does work in a lab and we say, Hey, what happens if we hit those, these probiotics with EMF waves? And what happens if we put these dyes in the food? And what happens if we add vitamins and minerals, how do they behave? And so mad, I pick out these crazy ideas and let's run an experiment and see what happens. And many times we get these aha things like these, what you're talking about is like, well, what about if we did this? And then, you know, with a little bit of tweaking, oftentimes those things happen is that the process that you kind of see in the food thing, you kind of see what's happening now, and then you, you can extrapolate from what's happening now and see a potential future, or a likely future based on what you're observing now. So Morgaine Gaye: I just think that what we're going to understand is that one size doesn't fit all correct, and, and much more than we do now. Really. I think that we've, you know, people say, Oh, do you think the future is pills and powders? And I said, no, that's the present. That's what you're doing now. Isn't it, that's what everyone's doing. These like, Hey, I need some whey protein shake. You know what I mean? It's, it's rubbish. And, and all of that stuff is you just think, Oh, well, if it's got this in it, therefore in my body will convert to that. It doesn't work that way. In fact, even for me, I mean, I'm just using myself as an example, prebiotics you know, you, you know, about the fecal implants and things like that for people with problematic gut microbiome, but there is only one third of the people that works for, because there's people like me who can't cultivate their own microbiome. So no matter how much great prebiotics that I take, I can't cultivate it. Wade Lightheart: Why is that? Well, yeah, Morgaine Gaye: That's a good question, but you know, that's this because of my own, you know, how I was born, what I was given as a child, a load of antibiotics as a child. So, you know, lots of things and also have genetics. These are, there's some weird, weird genetics out there. And I seem to have a lot. I see don't have it to some really crazy stuff, like a resistance to any kind of painkiller. So I have no response to morphine or heroin or anything that takes pain away. Basically. It's very hard to put me to sleep. It's genetic. So we'll understand these things. Morgaine Gaye: So one of the other things that's really interesting as a future ingredient and of course, nothing is a coincidence. So one of the big concerns that we've had over the last 18 months has been about the air we breathe and is the commodity of the future. So it's gets the main ingredient. It's all of the, our new proteins. That's how we're going to take all of the pollution from the air and be able to convert that into food source. And there's some brilliant research happening loads of investments in Silicon Valley on that. And it's, it's really interesting. So there's loads of really cool stuff happening in the future. Wade Lightheart: Well, this goes to my, I created a philosophy about how to approach optimize health, which I call the awesome formula. It's an acronym. And I looked because there was all these kinds of competing ideologies in the nutrition field and the exercise field and all this stuff. And, and anyone that does a little bit of experimentation within short order will become radically confused by the competing tribalistic natures and their rules, customs and belief systems, et cetera, and rituals, whether you're a keto follower, which is my business partner and I'm a plant-based guy hasn't, I haven't eaten meat in 20 years. And so we're at the, and he's done full carnivore and I've done full raw foods. So we've kind of expressed to the extremes and, and you're talked about conversion. This is, this is where we're going to get into this in the future because I recognize well, but if we're looking at me, the organism, the one thing that we can find commonality within this thing that I call me, this proto plasmic reality that I seem to be attached to is the cell. Wade Lightheart: Okay. So we have, so we, we've got to find first principles and everybody's concerned about diet, but I go, wait a second. Is that the primary source of electrons? Cause I going, as opposed to going to chemistry, I look at physics, which everything is a form of condensed light, which is light, is both a wave and a particle depending on its density, all that kind of stuff. And I was like, okay, well, if we look at the mitochondria, which is the energy furnace, which was once a bacteria that fused with the human cell, and now we are reliant on for most of our energy production it in its essence, it's a smallest aspect of relativity. We it's called electron covalent transfer. There is an electron going from here to there and this produces an energy result. And if that transition is working well, it's an efficient fuel. Wade Lightheart: If it's not working that well, there's kind of collateral damage that leads to oxidative stress and degeneration. Eventually we all go through that and disease. And then we're bathed in the sea of you know, beneficial elements and contaminated ML elements. And wait a second. Well, we'd go along time without food several months, it's quite uncomfortable, but you can survive for quite a long time without food, but you certainly can't survive that long without water. So therefore if we're doing first principles, water trumps food, and then I'm like, well, but is there anything that trumps water? Well, we didn't experiment and held our breath. We could probably not go as long without our breath math that we could without water. So, and then if you've been witnessed and I had the horrific experience of watching my older sister as a young adult go through cancer treatment. Wade Lightheart: And of course when they become bedridden, you watch the person waste away right. Relatively quickly. And so the unintended consequences of technological innovation is that we've taken the tendency for biological efficiency. In other words, to save energy within the biological organism as a preservational technique because of radical technical innovation has now become an issue because people, we have to do this thing called exercise, which used to be just living up until a hundred years ago. We didn't have to worry about it. But now, now because of the, those biological safety, the steam mechanisms have now become counter to the safety mechanism. So I said, okay, forget diets, air, water. And exercise are our primary factors in living a decent life over and above food. And then I looked at food as I put sunlight as the awesome thing is condensed light in all of its form and constructions of, you know, which lead to the various structures. Wade Lightheart: And then our ability to extract that we looked at cellular function. Well, what optimizes the conversion of that from a chemical level, or also are an agents in the movement of energy or chemical reactions inside the body that gives us, I would say biological options which are, you know, enzymes and probiotics, which are essentially the conversion mechanisms of the body and our modern foods style of food production and distribution has radically disrupted that those workers, if you will, the guys on the job site that put the house together and keep the drains clean. And then we have, you know, essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, minerals, vitamins, and then there's this unique category which I call herbs, which from maybe a Chinese perspective, move either increases the regulation of energy going in a direction or decreases the energy into various energetic meridians. And the, the only person I know that came to concordance between Chinese medicine practices throughout thousands of years and westernized models, because there was no connection was neuro-transmitter dominance Chinese medicine, the five elements fit very well into neuro-transmitter dominance and he built Olympic athletic programs on it. Wade Lightheart: And then beyond that, the next two parts of the acronym is mental beliefs and attitudes which can determine a great deal. If you have a bad attitude and a great lifestyle you'll still get sick. And if you have a not so great lifestyle and have great attitude, it seems to work out pretty well. And then finally, the last piece is ed, is he on the formula education testing and coaching and education coming from the word deuce to learn from within and to learn from within you run a test and then you run that test. And of course the fast way through that is to get a coach, all of that to say. So that's the basic premise that I teach is the foundational metrics to set up the experiment, the human experiment, which we are saying, moving from or, or slowing or reversing at least for a time, the natural degeneration, the interrupt, the entropy of human existence into, you know, sickness, degeneration of death and reversing or, and even optimizing and maybe creating a higher arc or keeping a longer arc of possibilities before you descend into, into death of that organism, the C cessation of that it's it's biochemical options. Wade Lightheart: So with that, I've got lots to say on that. So just give us give us your take on how you see the, the food paradigm and the of it and the energy matrix and, and why you feel that going all of the different arrays that could be available to us in the future. In regards to that, do you think my science is just totally bunk and absolute garbage? Morgaine Gaye: Well, I think what's really apparent and it's sad as a reflection of us as human beings that we need so much intervention that we can't just be allowed to get on with it ourselves and do a good job. And in some ways, all of that, that you've constructed is great. And it's interesting and it's helpful, but it's complicated and there's a lot there to engage with and to do and to make happen. And for somebody to have to ha you know, have to almost learn and say yes to, rather than, you know, what we know is that if we just looked at the very few and there are very few left tribes that are just Hunter gatherer tribes that are living seasonally, we can do that seasonally off the land, simply with fresh air and fresh water with relationships, community. And they don't have the paradigm that we have, which is, Oh, well, it's your mold. Morgaine Gaye: That's why my back hurts. That's, that's our thinking. That's how we've structured that as a reality, we've now believe we have words in some languages that don't exist in other languages and because they don't exist, they don't happen. So depression is a word that doesn't exist in some languages. So nobody in that culture has had depression. I had no idea what strep throat was. I still don't really know what strip first, but anyway, well, of course you have because you're Canadian and everyone in America has had it as well. Cause I was at high school in the state and now they're off with strep. I'm like, I don't know why that is. I never had it. I never had it because I don't know what it is. So it doesn't exist for me. So getting old in the way that we expect that degeneration is our cultural expectation, because we have the language for it. Morgaine Gaye: We have the expectation of it. We see it around us and with all of the science that we can get. Wouldn't it be great if we could just simply go, okay, let's just do what our ancestors, our, not yours, but what minded. So I need to know that obviously, because I'm removed from my, I'm not with my tribe anymore, who are my tribe, so I'd have to do that bit of stuff that they won't have to do. But if you have a tribe and you live within your tribe and you eat seasonally and you sleep with the circadian rhythms of where you are and that you have your feet on bare earth every day, and that you get some exposure to sunlight every day and that you get fresh air and that you have fresh water, all of those simple things, it's, that's kind of health, that's it, it's not complicated. Morgaine Gaye: It's really simple, but we're living a very, very complicated life where we have plastics and toxins and chemicals and food that we buy that we don't really, our bodies doesn't really know what it is and polluted air and we're living in cities and we're traveling. And all of the other things that go along with it, we're much more isolated. Maybe we have a relationship, but where's our community, or do we see them every day? Do we live with them? And you know, one of the big research studies that just came out recently, it's about longevity and the thing that they anchored longevity on, and it was about loneliness is a killer. And the thing that's helped people with longevity, the number one thing was community, family, community belonging. Wade Lightheart: I, I had the good fortune of living on his own street as a child that has produced four centurions in, in the span of a few hundred feet, very, very short distance. And you know, obviously a small town, social structure and everything. And then you see the blue zone work or you go, ah, I've spent time in Okinawa and Costa Rica and these various interesting places to kind of examining some of these ideas now for a great number of people in this moment, how would they practice those things in a world of, was it 8 billion people or something like that now? And with more people actually living in cities in rural, and then of course you saw this mass migration during this thing, people going out into the rural. So do you anticipate, so, so where does technology work in, in bringing us to what you see as, as you, do you see people moving more to a tribalistic lifestyle, or do you see an increase in technological advancement or some fusion of the two? Morgaine Gaye: Well, I think the two things are in parallel. I think what we're already seeing is not, not the beginning of, but the continuation of both of those things. We're already seeing that your network will be the, this thing is the commodity of the future. Like I said, it's love and kindness. It's about community. And so people are going to become a lot more dependent on those people, around them to be caring, to, to perhaps share the cooking or share they'll have a much more sharing possibility because all the things that money could buy before we realized don't really have the value, but also, I mean, what we can do if we live in a big city, there are lots of simple things that you can do. First of all, just don't buy stuff. That's advertised on TV, don't buy stuff in packets with ingredients, buy the raw ingredient. Morgaine Gaye: I think somebody wants they asked, I think it was the white house. I think so one of the presidents asked, what's the number one thing that people can do to change their health. What can we do for the whole of the U S to be able to change their health? One thing with that, it doesn't matter how much money got which culture you've come from. And the answer was cook from scratch. That changes everything. If you want to eat cookies, make them yourself, because when you start putting that butter and that sugar in there, you'll start thinking, Oh, I only have one, whether it's, you're eating a packets invisible, and also you're eating the preservatives and all the other stuff. So straight away buying raw ingredients, vegetables cheap, and plant-based is always a better option for the planet and for ourselves as close to that, as you can get. And as simple as you can get, we just really have complicated things. Life is complicated, being a human being right now, we've made it. So, Wade Lightheart: So I've done that experiment. For example, I, I spent two years as a rough food is I never ate one piece of cooked food and only ate Morgaine Gaye: As I've done that. I've done that too. Wade Lightheart: And w which was a great experiment and certainly made me far more sensitive to the vast array of food possibilities out there. But there was a part that I found interesting as well in that I experienced two unique phenomenons from a social perspective. One, when I would go to the raw food festival, people would look at you with a kind of a glaze look in their eye and they would be like, what percentage of, Morgaine Gaye: I know, I know, cause it's another cult. Yeah, Wade Lightheart: It's another cult. And then when I would be invited out when I'd be invited out to social occasions at a local restaurant, and there were no food options available to me at all, and maybe I could cajole the chef to make me a bowl of greens or something like that. And I would very much pick up on the uncomfortability of my choices with the social group. And, you know, before long you get excommunicated from all your social circles and the only source. So sir, circle my welcome welcomed him is if my percentage of raw food is as close to, you know, is, is somewhere above 99.5%. Otherwise I was a heathen and I, at a certain point, I just stopped the experiment because I was like your, and that's actually leading to a new book that we're working on. Part of it is the dangers of, of dietary tribalism. Morgaine Gaye: Oh, completely. And it's a huge thing. And that's why, I mean, you asked me a question earlier and I said, I didn't know the answer. Cause it was like another, you know, I think you'd said we've gone from Hunter gatherer to industrial yellow. And I said, what are we on now? Like, I don't know, because that's just it just puts us in a box where we don't really, there's lots of other stuff around that. And I think it's very much that with diets, I think you are this or you're that. And as soon as you're that you in that tribe and they're judging you for how much of this are you, how raw food are you, how Speaker 4: [Inaudible] where he's wearing, like these meet clothes and stuff. So you're totally ketone cause cause clothes, carbohydrates, it's really quite, it's a great parody. I loved it. Morgaine Gaye: Exactly that isn't it. So I think really, if you're just thinking about eating seasonally, sometimes seasonal vegetables have to be cooked. You know, when you're looking at the root vegetables, which tend to happen in like Canada, for example, you've got squash and potatoes and those sorts of things, those tubers often need to be cooked and then you might get, and of course, because it's a, it's an inward time, it's a heavier time. And then you go into the spring and the summer, it's much more leafy greens. It's above ground. It's lighter. It's the stone fruit, it's the stuff above. So your area, your lighter, because the season doesn't need that kind of inward-looking power to keep you warm. It's summer. You don't need as many clothes. It's, you know, you're freer and it's a hole that your, you know, that's the season. It's not because, Oh, it's a really good thing to eat seasonally we guest is. Morgaine Gaye: And also it'll be cheaper and you won't have as much sprayed crop because they just will grow in abundance when it's the right season. So all of that, stuff's great. But also it just makes sense. It's just, you know, sleep when it's dark, don't sleep in the day. If you can't. I mean, just if you can do those things, it just helps doesn't it. And, and I just think that is we've really complicated and become so out of touch with nature and the, this year's all of the trend briefings I do this year. The big question that I'm asking, I've never really asked a question before. My trend briefings is this is the question we're asking now, what does it mean to be human? Wade Lightheart: What does it mean to be human? Morgaine Gaye: Well, it's that it's that we are everything we are connected. We are no longer separate. And we are just starting to understand what it means to be human. Because up until now, we've been playing at it for a long time. We've been constructing these realities and complicating it and you know, it's always the next thing. And of course, all of these big companies are doing new product development and yes, I am trend giving trend briefings and sometimes helping them with NPD, but people aren't going to buy that, but people aren't going to buy the story anymore, unless there's real truth in it. And that truth is, is it good for the planet and me? Is it kind to every other thing? And, and how does it contribute? So that's the difference. Wade Lightheart: I think there's a lot of large food companies that are there's a microscope on them right now about the cultivation and development of highly addictive chemical substances, which some would argue overstimulate the nervous system, and may have an array of consequences there. The addictive rate of that food. I think if you look at Eric Schlosser's work when he talked about fast food nation and the development of food science down in New Jersey turnpike in the late seventies, when these corporations determined, well, it's really hard to get people to try our new product, but we can get the people who are eating our stuff to eat more of it. And that's good for our problem. Is that trend changing at the corporate level with your interactions? Or are they coming out with, let's come up with the new, like what, what is Morgaine Gaye: It's it's changing because people like anything, you could have some great ideas, but if nobody wants them then pointless. Right? And, and that's the thing is that people are waking up. Of course, it's always at different rates. Some people are more, more woke than others, but, but you know, people are waking up and, and whether they are, like I said, it's not about a conscious thought, Hm, I'm going to eat less meat, but people are eating less meat. It's just happening. It's because really when we have eaten meat as a species, it's been such a rare event. That's why this cave paintings of a Buffalo with a knife in it, or whatever spear in it, because it was like, Whoa, what the heck? We're going to be in meat this time. It wasn't like we kill it. We kill a Buffalo every week. It was so flipping hard. Morgaine Gaye: They hardly ever did it. So it's so rare. And we've got to a time where we have had a real confusion around, Oh, if we can buy it, then what let's have more of it. And it's been a Western model for meat has meant wealth. And if we've got money, we buy meat. And of course, now we see developing nations, following that. Whereas in the West, we're actually consuming less and that's not because people are suddenly thinking what's not so good to eat meat. Some people are, but just, just generally it's happening. Generally people are doing that. Generally look at the array of plant-based milks available. Now that are really good. It's the possibilities now are so available to us that people are allowed and able to make other choices without saying, Oh, well, I'm one of them. I'm a weirdo. One of those, you can be a bit of everything you can be you know, you can be a weirdo of everything. So I just think it's where things are really shifting. And yes, companies are of course looking for the next big thing, but it's not the next bad thing, but they've just people won't buy it. Wade Lightheart: So what is it? We're we're we're we're we're where are we going to? Where where's it leading? Where is it trending? Where's it going? The future of food? Morgaine Gaye: Oh my goodness. Such a big question. I mean, obviously when I do a trend briefing, it's an hour and some just of looking at these different ways, because like, it's not just one route, it's the whole tech part. It's what's happening in air. It's what's happening in water. It's what's happening in 3d printing and what we can construct with fantastic ingredients. We can take waste food. I mean, waste food is a massive commodity for the future waste as well, really. So it's, whatever companies are making, what they can do with the secondary product, that's the waste of that product. So for example, if dairy companies are still making milk based products, they could be also using any of that milk that gets wasted of which there's a ton of that to make fantastic fabrics, cottons, trainers really lovely things that would have originally. Morgaine Gaye: No, it wouldn't have been made. There's so much waste that's that's created from making industrial food production. And then of course the packaging is the packaging editable is it's con is it compostable? You know, this whole thing about it's biodegradable. Well, you know what? That might be a thousand years in landfill. That's not gonna that's that's old hat. Now it's even like talking about sustainability. I mean, that was 1970s, sustainability. We're beyond sustaining. We need to change it. So there's all of these we're rethinking our old structures and companies are being brought to task on that and consumers are waking up. We're waking up. That's 20, 20, it's the wake up. Wade Lightheart: So I'm going to take the Wade Lightheart: I'm going to, I'm going to punch the coordinates into the navigate computer and we're going to end up in suddenly we find ourselves chatting. It's 20, 30. Oh yeah. 10 years from now. Morgaine Gaye: Yeah. We won't be using this device. Wade Lightheart: Right. So what we'll be using and how that relate, what what's, what do you see happening? And particularly because there's and I'm going, gonna, I'll let you go there and then I'll go to the next question, because I don't wanna, I don't wanna, I don't want to spoil the milk yet. Morgaine Gaye: Okay. So 2030, Oh gosh. It's going to be so interesting. It's going to be amazing, really positive. We have things have really shifted for us as a, as a, as a, as a humanity. We'll definitely look back at this time. I mean, look, there's a lot of things that we're going to be in a static about because we will not have them again. And I think that's the biggest lesson right now for people that a lot of brands that we know a lot of stores that we know a lot of memories that we've had in places that will not exist. So there's a complete shift. All that big businesses is smaller. It's different. The high street is no longer the high street. It's about experience. It's about people. It's not about things and commodities, we're living more simply we, but we have technology as part of that, that we are understanding, communicating with our mind much more. So with be devices that are gonna help that we're not quite there by 2030. Morgaine Gaye: I just think we're much more in harmony with one another and the planet, however, it's the big space race stuff. So there's a lot going on in other planets by 2030. And that will be a, the information, you know, information will be the thing that we guard the most, not are, things are things are, we don't care about things. It's about information and knowledge and data, Wade Lightheart: Which leads me to my next question. So I think there was a great I really liked the works by Harari sapiens, homo Deus, and 21 lessons at the 21st century. And he put forth the concept that there was going to be basically an I feel. And I, and I would expand on what he suggested. And he suggested that we have, you know, biological intervention through genetics as one of the things. And then we have the technologists who are essentially fusing biotech, or like Borg technology, if you want to call it or cybernetic organisms. And there's some argument, of course, Elon Musk says that we're already cybernetic organisms. We just haven't recognized it. And then as the two main deviance within homo sapiens, and I would suggest that there may be even a wider where I have potentials homo spirit spiritualists, you know you know, homo optimists and and then homo artificial intelligence and Gentiles, which is, and we don't know, like there's, there's, everybody's got their version and their, their, their tribe that they're trying to win the race of mortality, I guess, or whatever. Wade Lightheart: And I do feel that it's over for homosapians. I feel, I feel that we're in a massive mutation phase, if you're a Darwinian philosophies, which was Mo which drives me crazy, cause he say it was survival, the most fitness fitness, but it's not it's survival. The most adaptable species adapt to you external stimulation. And going back to the blue footed booby bird, which I love that guy was in a very adaptable species that allowed to things to have. So there's an adaptive phase which have primarily been external forces outside of the human condition. But now we seem to be the stimulus for this own, our own mutation with technologic radical technological advance advancement in the last hundred years. What do you see, do you, do you see, cause you mentioned a little bit early in the, in the conversation about artificial intelligence and human intelligence. Do you see them as separate entities? Do you see them as competent expressions of a singular intendance or do you see them as completely radically different paradigms of consciousness or thought or what what's your take on those? Morgaine Gaye: Well, I think what it will do is because of who we are, it will make those thoughts manifest because right now we can see weak, we know our thoughts. We can perhaps see the result of our intention perhaps, but it's very hard to prove that all the time, what technology will do well, it will make it manifest so that other people can see it. And we can use it in a way that will enable us to use it with other human beings. So is it separate? I think it's a tool. Wade Lightheart: So one of the thought experiments around this and I vacillate on this one, depending on my mood, how dire I want to, I run thought experiments. And one of them is we know that AI is taking up an increasing amount of what we would call intelligence on the planet at a pretty fast rate. Most people gathered their information from online sources, which are determined by algorithms. And if we don't actually have our own ideas, then how the distribution of that algorithm is going to determine what one believes or values or thinks. And, and right now it seems like the product of that technology in a lot of cases seems to be division. So everything is being a lot of things are being classified as it's left. It's right. It's male, it's female, it's, it's rich, it's poor it's w you know, like all of these kinds of binary, which is interesting since those are binary systems and we have these binary classifications of people, and you're either on this side of the line or that side of the line. Wade Lightheart: And if, and, and I, it seems to be the product and my thoughts are okay, go with me here for a minute. Cause it's, I'm not an expert in any of these fields. Has, do you think there's a potential that artificial intelligence has already taken over a great amount of human intelligence? And is this a benign case, or is this as a result of a potentially asymmetrical attack on humanity itself from individuals or other people? Because I think one of the potentials of AI is to be used as a weapon. And technology has often times been used as a weapon. Unfortunately, what do you think? That's a possibility that, because I was like, if I was an artificial intelligence and you know, my ethics was not into the support of humans well, what if I got them to kind of stay up in their homes and self-select to inject themselves with something so that they sterilize themselves or terminate themselves and kind of a really, we would call an ethical way. Like we would ethically kill cattle by stunning them before we cut their throats. And in this way, just kind of breed themselves out until we have this quote unquote harmonic view of the planet with 500 million people living in an Elysium type model. Is that a potential possibility? Morgaine Gaye: It's interesting. Oh my goodness. I can S I think there's definitely capabilities to that. And I think they're happening now. I don't think that's the future. Yeah. Wade Lightheart: That's, that's my thing. And the question is, yeah, but is that a positive step or is it a negative step? Morgaine Gaye: That's a negative step. However, what is enables you always have to have the negative to have the uprising, correct. And so that's why it's so key that this is happening, because that is why we're also going to be seeing this. I mean, I suppose there is a rise of tribe. You are finding your people, the people that say, okay, I'm an anti-vaxxer, Oh, I'm not an anti-vaccine. Now this is all the stuff on the media, but they're your people. And your people have a similar worldview and are going to be doing what they think it is to be a better human, whether that is your vegan tribe. I mean, I'm not saying about your dietary tribe, because it becomes a bit more, you know, it's a bit more rigid, but definitely that your people, you will live in harmony where they, I think we've been now, the pendulum has swung to where we could sort of stay, would be it's, it's a been a global, you know, it's always been about global organizations, global business, every single everyone's wanting to be bigger. Morgaine Gaye: You know, the, the, the hypermarket, you know, used to be individual stores on a high street, the butcher, the Baker, then it was better because it was always in one big store and now it's going back. So it's almost like the feudal system is not coming back, but it's much more about these small, like the street you grew up on, suddenly that has more value. There's a lot more value in the mundane. We've ignored the mundane cause nobody wants to, everyone wants to be famous and bake and world. And, and actually it's about the mundane and people start to live in to that a lot more. The other thing to also remember is that we are not the future. We're old, the future is coming. And the future behind us are not caught up on Facebook because they're not on Facebook. And they're mostly not on the social media and they don't put filters on photographs on Instagram. Morgaine Gaye: They're not trying to shape a world in this perfect worldview. They're not trying to construct this reality. They think that the current reality sucks. And they're looking at all of these older people, then what the heck have you done with our planet? Now, these 14 year olds are into individuality that into these small tribes of loyal friends, where they are coming together to do things good for the planet. And they don't care if that close match, and it's got a brand they're not into brands. These are different people. They are, they spend a lot of money, but what they do, they buy well, they're different and that's the future. And so I think that we have a lot of different tribes that play a lot of different age groups at play. But like I said, we are not, we are not what the future needs, that's what the future needs. So, Wade Lightheart: So based on that, would you say that The descent into chaos because of organizational institutions is an essential component and how long do you think that that dissension will last? Because if you look at the last big kind of jump, I think w w which radically changed the world was 1939 to 1945. And the ushering in the Manhattan project, the dropping of the atomic bomb, Wade Lightheart: Would, so 20, 23 is, is, is the ultimate decimation of the systems of the past. Do you think that will result in mass extermination of population? Do you think it will lead to a population explosion? No. What do you think will happen? Morgaine Gaye: Hmm, well, I think that, you know, one of the things that we will definitely see over the next few years, which we've been seeing already, you know, I remember just talking about 2020, and it was almost like on the money when all of the Bush fires started in Australia, I was like, Oh my goodness, here we go know, it was just one thing after another, you know, actually COVID, wasn't the first thing in 2020, that was terrible. It was like mass destruction, burning, killing, you know, and of course, lots of lives lost in COVID and other natural disasters are about to happen. Fire, flood, earthquake, whatever, all of those things, we've got a crazy time till 20, 23. I'm not saying 20, 23, you know, it's like spring 20, 23, we'll start to emerge from something and we'll start to have a better understanding. Yes, there's going to be a massive loss of lives, but I don't think it's going to be 5,000 people left on the planet or 5 million, you know? No, of course it's not. No. One of the things that we always think of is that the future is so radically different, that we're all going to be wearing silver suits and, you know, be me up Scotty, but it's the future looks a lot like now, but better different adapted, like you said, it's adaption as opposed to survival. What we've been doing for a long time is not adapting and actually surviving and dominating. And that's the state we're in, you know, that's, that's our evolution as human beings. It's all perfect. Wade Lightheart: Yeah. That's awesome. So can you tell us, what does the future hold for Morgaine? Where do you see yourself as these emerging trends happen? And yeah. How do you, how I guess the next thing, which is where do people find out to follow your journey and what you might be sharing? Do you have any social media or websites or things like that where people can kind of tap into what your, your, your future trending and what you see happening, because I'm going to have to bring you back on the podcast and a few years. Yeah. And see how many of these we'll probably sooner 20, 23 would probably good, because Morgaine Gaye: That'd be great. So yeah, so they can, I mean, look, I don't really promote a lot of stuff. I've got a website, which is just my name, www.morgainegaye.com. You can see some of the clips of stuff I've done on there. Typically most of my talks and trend briefings are business to business. So unless you're in the company, I don't usually do a big public one, but you can follow me on Instagram, which is just my name Morgaine. I'm the only one, apparently that I know Dr. Morgaine Gaye in the world. So, you know, if you put that into whatever browser you've got, something will pop up, you can ignore or look at. And I have a range of products, which we call edible love. Wade Lightheart: And please, can you share about them? Morgaine Gaye: So edible love, we sell products. We're actually on pause at the moment, just during since December, until April, we're just pausing, but we have a range of eight products. They are all plant-based, they're all rule. They are, they were in, it was not intended to be this business thing, but it was just something that I did for myself and friends and family. And then it just grew from there. And it's just ground or raw ingredients that are, that are bioavailable and that you can make, because most people have really busy lives and tons of excuses to not get bio-available nutrition and food grade form, I guess that's the thing for us. So, you know, it's got things like spirulina, chlorella, bee pollen, actually. And one of them's got beep on it because the rest of vegan I dunno, Kemo cammo maca, which is a great adaption cacao, you know, all of the good stuff that you can make easily into something. Morgaine Gaye: So one you make into maybe a shape. One is a porridge, but it's grain-free, we don't use any grains just in case you have an intolerance to that. All of the fruit that we use is like a, typically it's got a benefit to it. So it would be something like we use Oh, Incan berries, which are the highest protein fruit available. So we just try and everything's been really thought through and also quick. So everything is two minutes from thing to meal, whatever, but it's not a meal replacement necessarily, but if you want a porridge, then you've got the highest grade nutritional kind of uploading of stuff. Cause what we're saying is get the good stuff in and you know what the rest will sort itself out. So if you can really optimize your system, it will start to crave more of the good stuff. Morgaine Gaye: And you'll start to not want the bad stuff because actually you're just, most people are just not mineralized, not just don't even have no matter how much you're eating. Most people's diet is pretty limited and they don't have nutrition or good nutrition, nutritional value in what they're eating. So that's what this is really. And we there's a, you can, we have Instagram on that. Edible love edible high food love. There's we do a thing called the Friday feed where I talk about a topic about health every week on YouTube. So I might talk about your poo or what, you know, skin brushing, or if you're going to eat fish, this is the best, this is the worst. If you're going to eat meat, this is the best. It's always, if you're going to eat dairy, then this is the better. So rather than prescribing something saying, don't do this. I just think that everyone's in a different place on their journey. And we just try and give information to people to make more conscious choices, but get the good stuff in. So that's our stuff. Wade Lightheart: Very habit folks, Dr. Morgaine, Gaye, food futurologists and super interesting woman. I encourage you to follow her on the social media platforms. And when edible love comes back out, pick some up, try it out. Morgaine Gaye: We'll give you a discount. Wade Lightheart: Yes. We, we definitely love discounts and we definitely like real food. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. I really appreciate you kind of diving into the deep or deeper waters of consciousness and the human condition. And you're such a great sport about all of it. Thank you so much for that. And for all our listeners there, you have it another way out edition of the Awesome Health podcast. I'm your host Wade Lightheart from BiOptimizers we'll see you on the next episode. If you liked this, hit the like button smash it. If you hate it, give us the feedback. I love hate as much as I love love it is as Dr. Morgaine says, we need both sides of the equation. It seems to make things happen. Thanks a lot for joining us. We'll see you on the next episode. Take care.