148: How to Give Your Cell’s Engines a Tune-Up – with Dr. Tim Jackson

Are your mitochondria functioning at full capacity? 

Remember high school biology? You may recall that every cell in your body has an engine called the mitochondria. 

Like the car’s engine, your mitochondria can lose power and performance through neglect and environmental factors. Our guest in this episode, Dr. Tim Jackson, is sort of like a “mechanic” who “works” on a patient’s mitochondria to help clean their cell engines, “oil them up” and restore their vitality through meticulous testing and tune ups. Dr. Tim is a functional doctor and uses a wide variety of tests to determine what is specifically causing a person’s mitochondria to “break down” (underperform.) 

Like a car, environmental factors can take a toll on the wear and tear of your cell’s engines. One significant factor that negatively impacts your mitochondria is mold. Dr. Tim shares his expertise on mold in this episode. However, Dr. Tim gives his patients many tests because he knows that if a patient does have an issue with mold – that does not mean mold is her only health challenge. Dr. Tim understands how the environment holds many different toxins. The various environmental toxins we all contend with cause mitochondrial dysfunction, epigenetic polymorphisms, poor diets, pharmacological side effects, and psychological stressors. 

As you can see, Dr. Tim has one of the most comprehensive medical training to ever appear on the show – which enables him to spot any issues that are missed by the big pharma-trained, overly specialized medical doctors out there. 

Take a look at Dr. Tim’s impressive background: His undergraduate degree is in Health Science and Chemistry (Wake Forest ‘03). Dr. Tim completed his Doctorate in Physical Therapy (DPT) from the Medical University of South Carolina in ‘09. 

Dr. Tim was not satisfied with only offering manual therapy and orthopedic care to patients. Sometimes a patient needs some other form of treatment, so he proceeded to study functional medicine and environmental medicine, along with digestive health, functional endocrinology, epigenetics, Lyme disease, and auto-immune/neuro-immune disorders to bring a more holistic approach to his patients.

There is lots of science on this episode, so put in your earbuds and geek out!  

In this podcast, we cover:

• What epigenetic polymorphisms are and how they affect your health
• What methylation is and its role in genetics and epigenetics
• The benefits of functional medicine over allopathic medicine
• Stealth pathogens and some common ones Dr. Tim is seeing today
• Dr. Tim’s thoughts on the mRNA “vaccine” 
• How Dr. Tim uses multiple tests to figure out what is wrong with a patient
• The role mitochondria play in feeling good and things that impair their function
• Some of the tools Dr. Tim uses for his health maintenance, like his favorite air filter brand, etc. 
• Some tips on bolstering your immune system

Tony Robbins Health Scare

Uber famous self-help guru Tony Robbins is a real-world example of how toxins in the environment can affect you despite your self-discipline and knowledge to live your life healthily. 

Robbins has always been self-disciplined in diet and exercise. He also uses detoxification technologies and practices unconventional wellness hacks like cold immersion. 

Not long ago, Tony discovered he had extremely high levels of mercury in his body through his diet. His mercury readings were the highest ever recorded in one person, according to Tony. Before his speaking events, Tony was taking blood transfusions. He didn’t know that mercury was building up to dangerous levels in his body. 

Tony’s story is a wake-up call for us all. If someone like Tony Robbins, who never drank alcohol and lives an extremely healthy lifestyle, didn’t know he had mercury poisoning, how confident are you in your body’s health? Even if you’re doing all the right things health-wise, Dr. Tim says you need to get tested regularly in various areas. 

Why Dr. Tim Takes his Patients Along in Baby Steps

When you hold a vast amount of knowledge as a doctor, that doctor can easily overwhelm new patients with a bunch of tests and spray them like a firehose with too much information. Over time, Dr. Tim learned he was trying to impress new patients with all his knowledge, and those patients would leave his office thinking, “Wow. That guy is brilliant, but I have no idea what I’m supposed to do.” Dr. Tim acknowledges he was doing his patients a disservice. This is why he starts with the patient’s environment first because you cannot help someone heal if they remain in a toxic environment. “I can fix a lot of issues, but I can’t out supplement or out medicate a bad environment.”

Dr. Tim even looks at a patient’s social connections. “If you’re around people who are constantly nagging you about eating healthy or nagging about exercise, then you need to edit your life and get them out of there. I know that sounds harsh, but they are creating psychological strains on your system, and no amount of supplementation or nutrition can outdo that.” 

Dr. Tim does thorough work with each patient – treating them as the individual they are. He avoids cookie-cutter remedies, knowing how individual humans can require many different treatments to reach health and happiness. 

Tune in and discover how your mitochondria health determines so much of your overall health and wellness. Your cell’s engines may need a tune-up. Listen to Dr. Tim – his breadth of knowledge is staggering! What a breath of fresh air to hear an open-minded doctor take the time needed to get to the root of your health issues. 

Be sure to listen to this episode – the health breakthrough you seek might be found right here with Dr. Tim.  

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Read The Episode Transcript:

Wade Lightheart: Good morning. Good afternoon. And good evening. It's Wade T. Lightheart from BiOptimizers with another edition of the Awesome Health Podcast. And today we are going to talk all things. Mitochondria, epigenetics, mold, Lyme disease, auto immune, and neuro immune disorders with none other than Dr. Tim Jackson. And he, Dr. Tim who's joined us today has received his undergraduate degree in health science and chemistry from wake forest university in 2003, he completed his doctorate in physical therapy from the medical university of SC, which I believe is right over here in Southern, is that Southern California, South Carolina, Carolina, South Carolina, right? Realizing that manual therapy and orthopedic care helped only some of his patients. He began studying functional and environmental medicine, as well as digestive health in an effort to help other achieved wellness. Dr. Tim has educated in nutritional biochemistry, digestive health and its system systemic effects, functional endocrinology, epigenetics mold, and Lyme disease and auto-immune and neuro immune disorders.

 Wade Lightheart: He completed the spine portion of the active release technique methodology, a system that addresses musculoskeletal or trigger points and helps to expedite the healing process. Dr. Jackson train with Dr. Kendall Stewart MD to learn the far reaching implications of methylation deficits and their role in neuro immune syndromes. Dr. Jackson's clinical expertise spans everything from brain rehabilitation, functional indoc, chronology, Lyme disease, and stealth pathogens, integrative gastroenterology, mold toxicity, epigenetics, and mitochondrial dysfunction. That is a super big amount of things. And I would say many of these are what I would quote unquote, call the diseases of modern civilization, which have evolved particularly in the last hundred years and accelerating since world war II. Would you agree with that?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Oh, absolutely. I mean, you know, whether we're talking about mitochondrial dysfunction or mold toxicity, or even the expression of certain epigenetic polymorphisms, you know, that's largely a result of environmental toxicity. As well as when we talk about things such as mold, you know, you could be in the Amazon and you're exposed to tens to several hundred species of mold, but here we've created very energy efficient homes, but that energy efficiency comes at a cost and the cost is a decreased circulation of indoor and outdoor air. And so you get an isolation of the subset of types of mold, and that's when ma mold starts to behave differently indoors than it does outdoor.

 Wade Lightheart: Wow. That's such a great thing. I grew up in a very old house when I was a kid that had virtually it had newspapers for insulation and in the winter time, the wind would blow through the house. And I would wake up some mornings with frost on my sheets and that scum of ice on the toilet and the walk to the toilet was definitely freezing on the feet, but, and I ended up training in a barn sometimes it'd be 30, 40 to below. And when I was having my genetics and epigenetics responses, my epigenetic expert was saying, she felt that my early exposure to some of these extreme conditions was actually beneficial for my health. And while I was sick quite often when I was younger and I used to get strep throat and throat sore things. I haven't been sick in the last 17 years and partly because of what I, what I do and the diet and how I eat for my genetics and epigenetics. Can you explain to our listeners and many of them know when you talk about epigenetic polymorphisms, it sounds like, you know, something really far out, can you kind of bring that down to what that is and then how that relates to some of these things that you're dealing with in the modern era?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Absolutely. So we talk about gene mutations. Most people are familiar with that term. So a polymorphism is simply sort of like a minor, minor version of a mutation. So our genetics, our DNA is made up of four letters adenine, guanine, cytosine, and timing. So a T C and G a supposed to bind T and C supposed to bind to G. So you got this sort of molecular alphabet going on. If the body puts down the wrong letter in the wrong position, that is what's called a single nucleotide. Does each of those bases, each of those letters is a nucleotide, a single nucleotide polymorphism. And so some of the most common polymorphisms that people have likely heard of one is MTHFR, which has to do with homocysteine. It has to do with neuro immune syndromes, the production of glutathione co Q 10 carnosine.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And so you can have one copy of the polymorphism and that's referred to as heterozygous, you can have two copies of the PI morphism, and that's referred to as homozygous. Some to continue on that train of thought, some of the other commonly known polymorphisms are things such as COMT catechol, methyl transfer AEs, and it plays a role and breaking down our stress related neuro-transmitters it also plays a role and metabolizing estrogen. Some others are in a O a known as the warrior gene. And there are some that have to do with breaking down histamine, such as Dao or diamine oxidase. But what I tell people is that you can have two people, one who's homozygous for every polymorphism that we know is clinically relevant, but they're living a healthy lifestyle. Like you've mentioned, you know, the way you're eating the way you're working out the way you're thinking.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And they're going to be healthier than someone who has no copies of the polymorphism, but they're leading a very unhealthy life. Their sleep architectures for their diet is very poor. You know, they're eating fast food five times a week. And so you know, there's millions of polymorphisms. And if we just sat and went through each one that wouldn't be very tedious. So I like to group them together based on pathways that they influence. And that makes it a little more digestible for clients and patients. But you know, toxin exposure, for example such as lead aluminum toxins from candida albicans will interfere with the MTHFR or methylation side.

 Wade Lightheart: Yeah. And let's go to that next. I think because, you know one of the things, and I've had my genetics read in my epigenetics, and I have some of those, you know, deviance or various variants yet their actual impact on my overall health is negligible because of following virtually all the things that I'm supposed to be doing. And what was really interesting is I had kept a biofeedback. I've been big into biofeedback for my whole life, just writing journals and making note and paying attention to how my body feels, what kind of training I do well with what kind of environment I do well, like all these kinds of things that I've been watching over the years. And then when I did my genetics and epigenetics, it was con it was literally concordance with feedback loops that I noted. Well, if I eat that, that goes on, I can eat some foods that you w you know, many well-renowned doctors say, well, this will cause this problem, this thing, but for my genetics, it doesn't bother me.

 Wade Lightheart: And I said, well, that's great. Can you explain this whole thing of methylation? Because I think genetics is kind of a gun. And epigenetics is like pulling the trigger and, and, and lifestyle would be kind of like the bullets. You know, how many bullets do you want to load in the gun by your lifestyle, every bad lifestyle choice related to your tube to your genetics is kind of like putting another bullet in the gun and you're spinning there, the Russian relay. Can you talk about what methylation is and what's its role in, in regards to genetics and epigenetics?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Yes. So methylation is actually the summation of around 200 different biochemical reactions. So it's not just one single reaction and it simply means adding a methyl group. So what's another whole group, it's a carbon with three hydrogen atoms. And so what are some things that get methylated in our bodies, neuro-transmitters get methylated for mounds and hormonal metabolites get methylated proteins, get methylated. And so some of the functions that methylation is responsible for in the body, one is T-cell production. So T-cells are certain types of immune cells and specifically CD four CDA, which is the T helper cells, the T suppressor cell ratio. And so that's one indirect marker for how well someone's, methylating. It also impacts your production of glutathione. And we know who the fine is the most potent antioxidant in the body. And so every time we're exposed to a toxin, you know, if we want to excrete that toxin and metabolize it, we're going to use up some glutathione.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And so I hear people all the time say, oh, well, you know, your body has natural detoxification pathways. You shouldn't need to detoxify anything, but there's a statute of limitations on everything. You know, I can fill up the gas tank in my car, but I can't drive from South Carolina to California without refueling, you know? And so those pathways get overwhelmed pretty quickly. And the average baby born today, the average umbilical cord as between 250 and 300 known carcinogens, and that's just carcinogen. And so you can also have pathogen transmission from mother to baby. You can have high cortisol levels and the mother turn on a sort of fight or flight response in the baby. So, you know, those would be colicky or cranky babies. And all of these things are influenced by methylation, but methylation is also responsible for the production of myelin and myelin is the fatty coating around our nerves. And so, you know, it takes a long time for nerves to heal, and if you're not netting, well, it's going to take even longer. And so you know, folic acid, you know, is synthetic and it's, what's added to grains and foods of that nature. But if women supplement with that, while they're pregnant, that actually increases the chance for miscarriage. But if you sup supplement with methylfolate or L five methyltetrahydrofolic, which is usually written as L dash five MTHF that actually increases the chances and likelihood of a viable pregnancy.

 Wade Lightheart: Yeah. This is great information because I think I'll use an example in the real world. And that is a guy like Tony Robbins, who takes very good care of his health and has it has a very intensive lifestyle as well. And then recently he came out with, he had mercury toxicity from eating so much food, and he actually had the highest recorded mercury levels they've ever seen and was bleeding even taking blood transfusions before events. So Tony is a pretty high demand guy, and he spends a lot of time on detoxification technologies. But what a lot of people don't recognize is even if you're doing all the right things, there's a gradual buildup of being in the modern world of a variety of toxins. And there kind of becomes a point, which becomes the tipping point where you are exhausting, these methylation pathways on your ability to detox.

 Wade Lightheart: And then that's when you start getting the cascade of problems and they can't, all of a sudden you can't eat these foods anymore. All of a sudden you start getting allergic reactions, all of a sudden your hormones go out of whack. And what looks like these kind of mystery illnesses are generally the combination of the inability to detox, whatever toxins you're going to relative to age relative to lifestyle. But I want to have a message of hope here. Obviously you're an expert in addressing how you bring someone back when, you know, essentially the apple cart has been tipped over and they're into a degenerative condition. How did you come to these conclusions? Because I think I love the science, but like, how did you get from that? Like, how did you get to this place where you started working on all these very complex and difficult issues?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: So I always, I went to undergrad and I did well academically, but one of the residents, when I was doing a preceptorship at the medical school, he said, you can definitely do medical school academically, but I know you're very much into nutrition and exercise, and you're not going to get hardly any of that in medical school. He said, just get a ticket to play the game. And so, while I was getting my doctorate in physical rehabilitation and orthopedic therapy, I was studying functional medicine, sort of all along. And I'd had a very intensive my senior year of undergrad, a very intensive oral surgery where they broke my upper and lower jaw to take bone from the lower jaw and add to the maxilla. And they added a lot of titanium to my body. And, you know, back then, at least in South Carolina functional medicine was not well known that there was really no one doing it.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And the person that I eventually found, he didn't even call it functional medicine, you know, he just called it medicine. And so I started, you know, realizing I was the guy in undergrad where, you know, we studied the electron transport chain and cell and molecular biology. Oh, well, now we're in biochemistry and we're studying the same electron transport chain. Like, you know, why don't we tie all this stuff together. And I think if they taught it that way, not only would students be more interested, but they'd also be able to better comprehend and understand the significance of this. And so I was always one who tried to connect dots that seemingly were not connected and I didn't set out to get good at, on complex problems. It just sorta came as a natural byproduct. And when I trained with Dr. Kimball Stewart in Austin, Texas he focuses a lot on epigenetics and stealth pathogens. And I had already been studying, felt pathogens, a great deal. And so I just kept adding to that knowledge over and over. And I think where a lot of people go wrong is it's an if or if this or that approach, you know, so it's either heavy metals or it's mold or it's gut health. Well, they're all important. And for your particular set of issues, maybe gut health is 60% of the problem for someone else. Mold might be 70% of their problem, right? And so you have to examine all the variables,

 Wade Lightheart: You know, that you made up a point. I was actually two doctors. I recently come to check in with, which is very interesting. One of them is Dr. Horace filter, who is a vascular surgeon that was part of put the first stent in the body. And another one was a unit, a well-respected doctor in Canada who Dr. Hodgkinson, who was sharing some information about some aspects of what's happened in today's hyper specialized medical community. And that 40 years ago, filter was saying, or 50 years ago, as a surgeon, you were a general surgeon, and then you were also, he branched into the heart surgery component. He says, but I couldn't wait to take the call at two o'clock in the morning, it was the gunshot wound. It was the guy with the stab wound. It was the car accident. So I'd go in and open them up, put them back together, even though my name speciality was hard.

 Wade Lightheart: I wanted to take those cases where I could save people's lives and the, and, and that's from an acute care. And then Hodgkinson was talking about, you know, when he was in school, he's in his seventies or eighties as well. And he was like, as a general practitioner, you learned a wide variety of information. And if your patients started feeding you information that you weren't looking to plug it into a specialized data set, which were down one lane you in, he said, doctors after 10, 15, 20 years, would be able to walk into a situation and kind of work out these variables very quickly. And both of them suggested that part of the hyper specialization has made our med our best medical minds to be hyper rigid and quote unquote, trust the data and the information. But that data set is in such a narrow band. They don't want to do the surgery.

 Wade Lightheart: That's not regular to the thing. They don't want to treat the conditions. That's not within their pharmaceutical operations that they've been instructed with. And then you have these patients going in and they're not getting better and they're struggling for years and they're on 15 different medications and they're having side effects or the medications, or they're getting into surgeries or a combination of the two. And they're going to specialist to specialist, to specialist, but there's no communication between the specialists and any communication is there. I don't do this or total skepticism, which I would suspect that that's probably 80 or 90% of the people that come to you or people that have that, that, that problem they've been all over the place. And can't forget. Would that be accurate?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, some of the worst cases that I hear about are from the most well-respected institutions, you know, the CDC, the Cleveland clinic Harvard, Johns Hopkins, places like that. And I had a patient a few months ago and her husband was on the call for her appointment. And he said, well, my uncle's a doctor at Harvard. He said, mold is not important. And I said, well, you know, just because he said that doesn't make it true. And I think what happens is, you know, they want to be sort of the gatekeepers of everything. And so they hate consumer lab testing. They hate anyone taking control of their health, but the truth of the matter is there's been always be enough sick people for every doctor to care for. And so you don't need to go around, you know, being hyper controlling of someone's environment, their lifestyle, their nutrition, and you're exactly right.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: So the same thing that might help a very, very, very rare genetic heart condition is the same thing that will harm you know, 90% of heart patients, because they don't realize that the heart is very dense with mitochondria. And so one of the first signs after brain fog and memory loss is cardiovascular dysfunction when you have mitochondrial issues. And so you know, the heart is also very much influenced by growth hormone and testosterone. And so, you know, the data shows if they wouldn't read it, that it's anything less than 550 nanograms per deciliter of testosterone puts us guys at risk of all cause mortality. And so, you know, but when you turn on the TV, all you hear is, oh, testosterone causes heart attacks. Well, they got that from a study where they took people who guys who had around a 250 nanograms per deciliter level of testosterone. And they boosted them up just to around three 50. And then several of them had heart attacks, but it was because they didn't have enough testosterone, not too much.

 Wade Lightheart: And, and you talked about something earlier in that was about methylation, particularly around hormonal components. And what we see in society today is a hyper estrogen ization, and a depression of testosterone levels dramatically. When we have these conditions of the male menopause, the increase in body fat storage, the neurotransmitter deficiency that leads to a kind of a lack of vigor and drive in life. And as you said, not getting the testosterone to sufficient level is very much similar to the psychiatric research, which, where they're showing people who were in super states of depression and they were adding psychiatric medications. And then some of the people start to kill themselves. Well, they didn't get the gore. The person was already dysfunction and they didn't get the dosage. Right. And they oftentimes associate the pathway up. It just, the person got enough juice to actually finish themselves off where they didn't have the juice before. Cause they didn't quite, it was an extreme case. You're saying it's similar in this hair. But beyond that, let's get into this relationship between stealth pathogens, mitochondria and the kind of illnesses that you're seeing today in the modern world.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah. So stealth pathogens, you know what I mean by that most commonly known or well-known self pathogen is Epstein-Barr virus and they're called stealth because they have the ability to change the proteins on the coding of their surface. So as to the skies themselves to our immune cells. And so typically, you know, it's thought of that, you know, you get Epstein-Barr or mano, and then you clear it from the body, but you never clear a virus from the body. You decrease the viral load. And methylation happens to be one of the primary pathways that suppresses viral DNA replication. So viruses are very smart. They take their DNA, they incorporated it into ours. So every time our cells divide, they get a free ride literally. And so if we slept enough methyl groups on there, the viral DNA expression is suppressed, but if we don't do that, then the pathogens can become reactivated.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: So gludethyon it, you know, this is along the same lines of that gludethyon is a natural antiviral. And so not only does it help with detoxification, but it helps to activate some immune cells such as the natural killer cells. Other stuff, pathogens would be things such as human herpes virus, six that's a virus that's been shown to be correlated with chronic fatigue syndrome and chronic fatigue, immune deficiency syndrome. You have my plasma, there's several types, it's a cell wall, deficient bacteria. And the way most of our antibiotics work is they blow up the cell wall, the bacteria. So you really have a limited number of ways to deal with some of these pathogens. And there, we call them stealth, you know, again, cause they evade the immune system, but they create symptoms. For example, they can activate a type of cell in the brain called the microbial cells.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And those are the white blood cells in the central nervous system and they're supposed to be turned on and then it turned right back off, but these pathogens can turn them on and keep them turned on. And so that can lead to depression, anxiety, insomnia, memory issues, focus issues. And so, you know, along the lines of our earlier example, I could go see a psychiatrist and, you know, he had prescribed me Prozac or Zoloft or something of that nature and maybe have benzodiazepine for anxiety, but the cause may something, you know, totally downstream. And that's the problem when you, you view things in isolation you know, it's really a disservice to the patient and in the worst case scenario, you know, it can lead to death. And so you know, I mean the other pathogens, lime, the lime bacteria Bartonella, but Basier candida in a, and I've never seen. And my 12 years of practice the presence of just one pathogen as a standalone. So normally now a lot of times people might just test for one pathogen and it shows up positive and they say, oh, well, this person has just had this. And I'll say, well, did you test for the other pathogen? Well, no. So how do you know they didn't have it? And so you know, that's sort of the quandary we find ourselves in, you know, that's

 Wade Lightheart: I think this part of the modern society, we're, we're essentially overwhelmed with massive amounts of information and the structure information of the brain is that we try to take this low resolution single cause theory L cause if you look at our advertising, just press the button and it's done, or just three easy steps, you know? And so we have an over-simplification of our society plus an expectation of response that, you know, I call it the, the, the Amazon expectation w when I was a kid. And I, and I, I don't, I don't like to use those stories too, too much, but I think it's relevant when I was a kid. If I wanted to have Christmas presents at Christmas time, I had to check the boxes in September when the Christmas catalog came out in September, and then we would order my mom would order the products based on what I had checked in the box or whatever.

 Wade Lightheart: And that's what, you know, I would get for Christmas, but I had to wait three, four months in order for the truck to get there and to figure out all the variances, because we just didn't have the sophisticated systems that we have today. Today, people are complaining if they ordered today and the Amazon box isn't here in the next day. And that same expectation of the speed of response. You know, people have been living an unhealthy lifestyle for 20, 30, 40 years, and they automatically expect, well, Hey, doctor, just give me a pill and I should be on my way yet that pill might mass some symptoms, but drive things deeper. What are you think as someone that's dealing with, this is the major obstacles for people. When, when number one, going to a functional medical medical practitioner, and then being able to implement what has been suggested, because you're going to have to take a variety of tests, for example, to figure out this puzzle, like you said, it's 10%, this 60%, this 15%, that 5%, that 8%, this 2% that and when you start working out that multiple variant algorithm you know, algorithms are so popular.

 Wade Lightheart: There's, there's all these ones, these cascade effects inside the body. How do you determine, like, what's the obstacle? How do you determine it? And then as a timeframe to implementation, what are you looking at? And for a lot of people, but what's the best case scenario versus what's the realistic scenario that most people struggle with?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Yes. I got a call yesterday from a colleague. Who's an MD, he's a psychiatrist. And he had referred one of his patients at another state to local functional medicine MD. And he read off, you know, the most salient points of the report that this doctor wanted the patient to do. And there were at least six to seven lab tests nutritional Ivys, six or seven supplements all of these other therapies. And so I take more of a layering approach. So there are some things that can't be fixed or help in the body and pull other issues are addressed. And so if someone has mold and mycotoxins in their body, you're not going to be able to detoxify mercury or that, or Illumina. You're not going to be able to heal the gut and get it functioning optimally. So the mold needs to be addressed first.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And so I always start with an organic acid test, which gives us a window into about five to six areas of someone's physiology, everything from mold to gut health, to neuro-transmitters, to B vitamin levels, to antioxidants. And so that can tell us where we need to go from there. But when you do that it allows the patient to digest the information better and be more compliant, not overwhelmed because when I first started practicing, I would try to just overwhelm the patient while I'm with my knowledge. And they would leave thinking, wow, that guy's really smart, but I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. Right. And so it was really a disservice to them. And I had to, you know, swallow my pride and realize that. And so you know, I think working on things such as environmental toxicity mold, EMS fixing your environment, you know, you can't heal in the same environment in which you got Sid 99.9, 9% of the time you can't.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And so, you know, you can fix a lot of issues but you can't out supplement or out medicate a bad environment. And I include your social connections and social life in that as well. If you're around people who are constantly nagging you about eating healthy or nagging you about exercise, then you need to edit your life and get them out of there. You know, and I know that sounds blond and harsh, but it's going to be a psychological, which turns into a physiological strain on your system and no amount of supplementation or the nutrition can outdo that. But so based on the organic acids test, that can give me an idea of how much mold or if someone has mold. And then the next test I tend to bleed do is a comprehensive stool analysis using PCR technology. And so that can tell us about, you know, any Keystone species of bacteria that someone may be deficient in inflammation in the gut, how well their pancreas is producing digestive enzymes, their mucosal, immunity, their secretary, IGA, which lines, not only the gut, the nasal cavity, the mouth, cetera and also about the levels of protozoa and parasites.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And so that can help us develop a more targeted approach. And I tell people, you know, a lot of times, if you have gut issues, it may not present a stomach pain. It may present as brain fault or insomnia. And you have to think of it this way. Every nutrient with the exception of oxygen has to go through the GI tract. And so if you have poor gut health, then it's going to lead to cellular malnutrition and the cells from the top of the head to the bottom of the feet,

 Wade Lightheart: A couple points cause I wanna circle back where we haven't closed the loop on a couple of things. We've got a couple open loops going, which is a lot of fun. I love these kinds of conversations and I hope our listeners you're enjoying this as much as I am. Let's talk about the mitochondria and its role in both energy production and it, when it's impaired, what's the cascade of effects because I think we hear a lot about mitochondria out there today. It's starting to become a buzzword. Can you, in your best words, summarize what the mitochondria is, what's its roles and how it's related to both feeling good, but also the detoxification. And then maybe we can go into what are some of the things that impair its functions?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: So one day I did this like nine, eight or nine years ago, I had a huge dry erase board on the wall and I wrote down pretty much every condition, disease and syndrome I can think of off the top of my head. And I sat down with a chair across from the whiteboard and I said, okay, what's the connection between all of these things that are seemingly unconnected or disconnected. And the answer was mitochondrial dysfunction. So mitochondria, you know, we learned in high school biology that the batteries of the cells and produce energy. And that's true, but I want to redefine how people think of the energy. So normally if I say energy, people think of bouncing off the walls, you know, running down the streets, but everything from me, talking to you, listing and processing to me sitting upright, not falling over requires energy hard.

 Wade Lightheart: I think if you look at this study chess players and how much weight loss loss that they experienced during grand master events, it's frightening, but you know, like just, that's an, that's an, that's an energy production.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah. And one thing that really throws people off, it threw me off many years ago when I learned it is when you're repairing the mitochondria, you actually sleep better, which is counterintuitive because you think if you increase the energy, then you're going to be wide awake. Won't be able to sleep, but sleep is very energy intensive. And one of the main reasons for that is something you just mentioned and that's detox vacation. And most of that takes place during the first four to six hours of sleep. And so you know, you have to take into account the mitochondria from a performance enhancement aspect. So, you know, by making the mitochondria healthier, you can perform better athletically, academically, cognitively cetera.

 Wade Lightheart: I want to stop that right there because you just, you just dropped a bomb. On that sleep is very energy. There's a big energy expenditure and would it be safe to say, so I have this theory that in my layman's terms type methodology for people, I call it, we know of what I call the Turkey dinner syndrome, where you have your Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas dinner, and you have all the fixings and you have all this stuff and you'd go back for seconds. And then grandma breaks out the pie. And then everybody kind of makes a dive for the, the living room furniture. And somebody gets the couch and somebody in the chair and someone's lying on the ground with the Juul coming down their face. And you go, you've just loaded the system with all this protein, carbohydrates, fats, all these nutrients, all these, like nobody feels like going out and run a marathon, right? So there is a management of digestion, which is, which is a big energy cost. But so what happens is the body shuts down and goes to sleep? Would it be safe to say that the reason that we sleep is because of our need to detoxify from our current environment and lifestyle influences?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Yes. I mean, that's certainly a major reason. You know, bodybuilders have known for years, you know, they've been very strict about going to bed by 9:00 PM because they want to get that growth hormone spike and, you know, sleep architecture. There is a certain such a thing as a criminal type, but it's not really helped there. It isn't healthy for anyone to be up at one in the morning, hyping emails or writing a newsletter. And so you know, there's the hormonal benefits that we get. There's the detoxification component of sleep. And then we have the glymphatic system. So the lymphatic system that's in the brain, that's when most of the neurons in the central nervous system sort of dump their garbage. And that's what allows it to drain from the neck. And that's the whole premise behind inclined bed therapy. So when you incline the head of the bed, six to 12 inches, it helps the glymphatic system drained during sleep.

 Wade Lightheart: That's a fascinating component. Is there any other things that you feel overall? Cause oftentimes when you see, you see people who are suffering from a variety of these metabolic conditions or, or, you know, their toxicity issues, they're, they're, they're tired all the time or they don't have energy or they have this brain fog, they're sleeping 10 hours, 12 hours a day. They don't have any energy. Can you tie that in to detoxification and then mitochondria and like what's because we talked about the detoxification, but then the mitochondria. So how do those two pieces interface?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah, so some of, I would say the two most dangerous toxins to the mitochondria one would be mold slash mycotoxins. They go straight to the mitochondria and they put a block on a pathway called NRF two, which is a series of reactions that produces antioxidants and detoxification molecules. And I would say after mold and mycotoxins, you have Lam and other metals specifically lead, which will literally line the inner mitochondrial membrane and dramatically decreased mitochondrial energy production. So it's kind of a catch 22 because you have these toxins that slow mitochondrial function. But when mitochondrial function is slow, it's almost impossible to detoxify,

 Wade Lightheart: Correct. It's a cascade effects. And of course there's some evidence of course that the fall of Rome was correct. It was correlated with the use of Leadpipes and, and the dysfunction that started to happen in the population. And then that was re-emerged in in, in, in Britain, a number of years ago, many decades ago, where they started to discontinue the use of lead pipes and lead paints, which no one thinks about that now, but then we go, oh, wait a second. And then now one of the complex issues that we have going on in the world is that we are manufacturing chemicals at an exponential rate in the world in combination with the use of blue light on so many things, which is disrupting our natural circadian rhythm. So now we have we're impairing, we're adding thousands and thousands of variants of toxins, which we don't know what they do in conjunction in as well as disrupting our natural detoxification cycle. And then we've got, you know, maybe we have mitochondria. So how do we turn the ship around under these, these, as you said, this kind of environment of the modern world and its impact on us as, as humans.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah. So one other connection I'll mention is the mine mitochondrial link. So they've done studies and shown that within three to five minutes of experiencing a psychological or mental or emotional stressor, your mitochondrial energy production goes way down and that, you know, so you can have no toxins in your body. I mean, we won't find anyone with that situation today, but they radically possible, but they're experiencing emotional and mental and psychological stressors and that's decreasing their mitochondrial energy production. And so you know, the mitochondria, another important aspects of Dan is that 9% of your body's mitochondria are in the brain, but they consume around 22% of your body's oxygen. So that is to say that you have a handful of mitochondria doing a lot of work. And so one of the very first places you notice mitochondrial dysfunction is memory, concentration, mood, and sleep issues,

 Wade Lightheart: Right? And this is something that is quite common. As we age, we'll see aging dealing with cognitive decline, we start seeing them also have, you know, disrupted sleep patterns. Oftentimes they can't sleep at night, they wake up and these type of things. And now we're starting to see this emerge in younger and younger generations as we go forward. So now that we've kind of identified a lot of the different problems and, and we couldn't possibly touch on them all, what is your strategy? What is your strategy for turning it around? What it will like, I'm going back. Cause I love that visual where you wrote down all the different things. So here's all the potential things in the algorithm. So all the variables that you could possibly think of, and then now you're doing an order of magnitude. I suspect. So it's, you know, and then which things first as a D and then we're, I know we're kind of generalizing here, but what are the things, the big needle movers to kind of turn the ship around when people are number one, want to prevent it. But number two, if they get incentive, those situations

 Dr. Tim Jackson: I'll mention the low hanging fruit first because several of them are free or close to free, but giving morning sunlight is extremely important because in the mitochondria, we have this proton gradient that drives ATP production. But photons, I read in two different publications that around two thirds of a mitochondria energy production is due to photons. And so when we get the harmful blue lights, you know, from inside and we don't get the beneficial blue light from the sun, so it's not just the vitamin D, we get a sun, it's many, many other things. And you got to remember that the retina and the eye it's very mitochondrial dense. So the eye is just an extension of the brain. It's still neurologic tissue. And so you know, having said that with the brain and you know, the mitochondrial dysfunction showing up there pretty much first going outside, getting morning, sunlight on as much surface area of your body as possible.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And then again in the evening, because there's some red light in there as well, which is also healthy and beneficial for your mitochondria and you're getting the photons. And while you're out there, why not take your shoes and socks off and get some grounding in which is going to add electrons. And anytime you add electrons to your body, you're decreasing inflammation. So, you know, your lifestyle and your environment, number two, is getting your circadian rhythm optimized. And you know, this some time, because if you're going to bed right now at 11:00 PM, I have people work backwards 15 minutes, every two to three days. And, you know, it'll take a while to get there. But studies have shown that the levels of NAD plus, which is a mitochondrial energy metabolites, the levels are 200 to 300 times higher when your circadian rhythm is optimized, versus when you're staying up and you shouldn't be sleeping.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: So those two things, you know, are both free. And it's just the matter of you know, burning them into your routine. And I wouldn't say the next thing in terms of fixing the mitochondria would be something that you talked about and that's artificial blue lights. And so daytime blue blockers, you can get for, you know, reading the screen or your phone because, you know, blue lights, artificial, blue lights is going to negatively impact the mitochondria and the brain on many levels. And so if we can block that blue light, and then I have a colleague he's actually in California and he has two offices and he replaced all the artificial blue lights with Amber and red lights. And so he said, it kind of freaked the patients. I said first cause they thought they might've been going into the red light district, I guess, but, you know now everyone's adjusted to it and I mean it can only help and it's not something that's extremely expensive at all to do a red light therapy has been used up until the late seventies, early eighties and traditional hospitals for wound healing.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And it does that it expedites healing by energizing the mitochondria increasing nitric oxide production. So you get increased nutrient delivery. And so my device that I loaned to my dad at the moment, it has red and near-infrared balls. And so if you have brain fog, you can hold it about four to six inches from the back of your head for five minutes. And usually that'll energize the brain and it'll clear the brain fog because usually it's due to too much oxidative stress. And so the red light therapy is a big needle mover. Another big needle mover is getting the bad stuff out. So when we talk about functional medicine, it really comes down to two things, getting the bad stuff out and putting the good stuff back in. So the bad stuff, mold and mycotoxins. So I don't know if you can see it, but behind me I have an air doctor and it filters down to, I think it's like 0.09 microns. And so we talked about the damage that mycotoxins and mold due to the mitochondria. And so other bacteria viruses,

 Wade Lightheart: When you say an air doctor is that's an air doctor filtration system, air filtration.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah. So it's an ultra HEPA plus carbon filtration system, and it also has an air ionizer on it. And it was really sort of a game changer in that market space because the other models that were endorsed by the American academy of environmental medicine, they were over a thousand dollars, some up to $2,000 or more. But this one, you know, without a discount code is around 625, I think 650, and you don't have to change the filters very often. But you know, the gentleman who brought it to market, you know, wanted to more people that have access to better quality air. And so that's another game changer. And then something that I have sitting in my living room is a molecular hydrogen machine. And that machine, it produces the water. So I put distilled water in it and I turned it on at a certain percentage and it generates the molecular hydrogen water, but it also comes with a nasal cannula, so you can breathe it.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And a lot of times when I'm working on the computer, or if I'm on a phone consultation, I'll be plugged into it because it's very quiet and you get slightly different benefits from breathing it versus drinking it. And they both have their benefits, but what makes molecular hydrogen so unique is that it's incredibly small and that allows for it to get inside of our mitochondria. And so it helps to heal the mitochondria that we have, but it also stimulates the production of new mitochondria. And prior to this, the only other thing we knew that did that was aerobic exercise. Yes.

 Wade Lightheart: Fantastic components in here. I want to switch gears just a little bit because I think this is becoming a huge topic and I know it's going to be a little bit taboo, so you don't have to go on there, but there's a lot of people who are debating on whether they should go and get the jab right now, and it's potential influence. And we don't have to get into super specifics on it. Cause I know everything gets kind of picked off nowadays of what you say and what you can't say. Basically we don't any long-term studies on any of these impacts and we're using a novel delivery system in most of the jabs. That's all I'm going to use that word as a functional medical practitioner. Do you have concerns about the current trajectory and, and, and suggestions that are put forth in the politicization of this kind of piece? Do you think there could be some negative consequences?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Absolutely. And you know, what caught me is interesting is that, you know, there's, I think almost 300 medical professionals who've spoken out against the shot or at least had concerns about it and they get the Smiths, but yet we take bill gates, his advice and recommendations, and he can't keep a virus off my computer. How's he going to keep a virus?

 Wade Lightheart: My, I said the exact same thing,

 Dr. Tim Jackson: You know, so I have serious concerns because they were working on that vaccine for 10 to 11 years before this pandemic slash planned in it. And so you know, how were they able to develop it in six to eight months? And if you look at where the spike proteins go and the body, one of the most concentrated areas are the ovaries.

 Wade Lightheart: Yes. this was something that was brought up by Bret Weinstein and his wife and I'm remissed on her name. It's one of the, and I, I love the science that they do. They, they, they are real scientists. They're not politicization, they're not into hyperbole. They get experts and they, they don't come to conclusions quickly. What do you think is some of the potential risks that we're using with all of these millions of people who are just going in there and getting this? And if I look at the data, I mean, I'm looking at the research and it says, well, it doesn't prevent you from getting the virus. It doesn't prevent you from transmitting the virus, but it reduces your chances of severe symptoms by this much. And therefore it's 95% effective and I'm like 95% effective about what, especially when we're considering we have an, we have a vote for the general population until I think you're over 60 years old, we've got over a 99% success rate with this about, you know, not losing your life or having massive complications yet.

 Wade Lightheart: Right. We do know that the third leading cause of death in the country is medical air. And yet we're, we're, we're trading a 1% risk with the third leading cause of death. And I'm going, I don't know if I like, it's like, you know what, I'm, I'm done on the black Jack table because that's 51% odds. I'm going to go over to the, to the slot machine. That's, you know, a terrible odds, you know, and I'm going to go that route because that's a better route. Cause someone told me that that just doesn't make sense to me. Does it make sense to you?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: No, it, that would makes sense. And you know, I had people I've heard it, these from 10 separate individuals, none of whom know one another, that they have a family member or a loved one who passed away due to unrelated calls. So the example I give quite often is one girl, I know her friend's dad passed away from cancer. He had cancer long before this current state of affairs, but on the death certificate they put COVID and they actually had to hire an attorney and go to court to get it changed. And so I started doing some digging. And so this doesn't come from some plaque in his garage. This is from colleagues in the hospital, a nurse who with 25 years experience who used to review claims for the insurance company. Apparently every death they marked as related to COVID, they get around $35,000. And for every ventilator they put in, they get a minimum of $9,000. And so if you think about it, did the regular flu, what happened to yet just go away, of course not. And if you look at you know, they're incentivizing people to get the jab. So, you know, oh, we'll give you a bag of Twinkies. We'll give you a gift. He gave

 Wade Lightheart: Away millions of dollars in California here that we just opened up and they're like giving you what they're having a lotto.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Right. And what makes no sense to me is that studies are very clear that when your blood sugar is above 126 Nana green nanograms per deciliter in terms of your blood glucose, that your white blood cells are a Mobileye. And so the same people yelling at me for not wearing a mask or generally, you know, going through the McDonald's drive through and getting deserved. And they don't ask them if they have 3000 studies on, you know, the ingredients in their hamburgers, but you know, they'd want to hassle me because I don't have on a mask. And you know, when I get asked, if I'm getting the jab, I say, do you have herpes? And what, well, it's one of their personal Buxton. Right? So exactly. I wouldn't ask you that. So don't ask me personal question and what makes no sense is if the vaccine does in fact work saying that you have to have one in order for mine to work is the equivalent of saying that I'm going to put my winter coat on Wade, but in order for it to work, you have to put yours on and it has to work.

 Wade Lightheart: Yeah, the, the logic flow is, is falls apart. But we do see the mass hypnotize nation of even very intelligent people in regards to this situation and people that the general public are relying on for definitive information to give them health advice. And now I always say, you know what, at the end of the day you, there's nobody more important in the charge and care of your health and yourself. And I preach responsibility. I also preach get different opinions. We don't just accept one opinion, go in there and challenge these opinions because these could have very impactful consequences down the road. Particularly I'm concerned with the younger you are the more potential problems that you could unexpected. Cause we just don't know what we haven't done. The trials, we've done no trials on pregnancy. We do know that some of the animal studies were very controversial in what they were performing.

 Wade Lightheart: Let me switch one gear. So we've kind of laid down the bad news for you as a functional medical practitioner. What are the things that you suggest to build up our natural immunity? Because at the end of the day, nothing can Trump, sorry to use that word folks, natural immunity. Because you know, our, our immune systems have evolved over millions of years and our, and, and probably if you get COVID and develop natural antibodies, there's nothing in the world that is more superior in fighting off, even variants that might emerge because you get a 3% variance, I think is the statistic. And so you still are probably going to pick those off as well. What are the things that you're suggesting for your clients to do in order to bolster their immune system?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Well, some things I recommended a lot of these, I recommended prior to the pandemic things like replenishing zinc levels. So after magnesium zinc has the second most common mineral deficiency, and it's extremely important for immune function and white blood cell formation. And so optimizing zinc is important. Selenium's important because it aids in the production of glutathione and glutathione is a natural antiviral three going to bed on time slash optimizing your circadian rhythm or getting natural sunlight. So natural vitamin D that's already sulfated your body can use. But if you're in an area where you're not getting a lot of sunlight, certainly supplement with the [inaudible] supplement claustrum and if you don't like colostrum on that is made from classroom is PRP or Berlin enrich poly peptides. And I have a whole book on my bookshelf PRPs, but that was done. The studies were done university of Texas in patients with HIV and they saw their viral load go down dramatically.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: And it's kind of like PRPs are pretty much like an adaptogen for the immune system, so it helps the modulator. And so it doesn't, you know, spike one area of function and suppress another. It just sort of makes an even keel and supports whatever it needs to do or the body's inherent wisdom. So those are some of the most important thing, but molecular hydrogen because it helps to control the cytokine storm. And so it's not technically the virus is the cytokine storm and now that's sort of a buzzword, but when I started using it, you know, 10 years ago, people were like. But cytokines, you know, there are pro-inflammatory cytokines and anti-inflammatory cytokines, but the molecular hydrogen helps to decrease that cytokine storm. And in addition by supporting the mitochondrial health, so you can have an optimal amount of immune cells, but they don't are, can't produce enough energy to get to where they need to go. Then they are doing us a disservice. So that's another area that the molecular hydrogen comes in and, you know, the vitamin D supplements and keeping your blood sugar opt. Those are the main things,

 Wade Lightheart: You know, Dr. Tim, this is just so much fun. We could have a lot of talks oh yeah. A lot of rabbit holes. And I'll have to get you back on the podcast because I think this is a good opener. Can you, before we close off and kind of get all the references, well, where do you see functional medicine or this practice say 10 years, 20 years, 30 years into the future because 10 years ago, nobody knew what it is. Almost everyone in the biohacking field, the people who are looking at both health, being healthy and extending that over a long period of time, increasing the bio span as I like to call it. Where do you see this going and how pervasive do you anticipate it will be in, in, in public health?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah. So I think it depends on how you define it. You know, now it's cool to do functional medicine. So I lived in Arizona for about nine or 10 months back in 2016, I thought, oh, this is going to be great. You know, people know the fact of what I'm talking about. They're going to speak my language. And so, you know, I been see driving down the street functional medicine. And so I've been stopped, go in, asked to speak with the owner of the doctor and, you know, he would say, yeah we recommended vitamin D and sometimes probiotics. And that's it. I'm like, okay, well, that's not really functional medicine. So you know, it depends on what people mean by it. The other component we have to consider, and I'm seeing this a lot right now, my friend in California, who used to do stem cells now it's only a matter of time before every company receives a cease and desist letter, which is why many clinics are opening up in Mexico.

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Because stem cells, you know, when you heal things on that level and at the level of the mitochondria, you know, you're taking away a lot of profit from a lot of people. And so even though they haven't harmed anyone to my knowledge I've only helped. And you know, what we call side effects and traditional medicine, we call fringe benefits and functional medicine. And so you know, I've seen case studies for example, one lady, her cardiovascular output increased by 46% after six months of stem cell infusions. And so I think it'll become much more prevalent. You know, people are becoming increasingly empowered and we can't really talk about this without talking about blockchain technology and cryptocurrency. And I think that's what has the government stared is the decentralization and the empowerment to the people. You know, I think a lot of that relates back to that and you know, it's not really a conspiracy theory. It's really just backed at this point. Because the things I said that I've stood by from the beginning of the pandemic are now proven to be true. And so I hope it becomes more and more mainstream to where, you know, it's not considered alternative. It's considered the only medicine.

 Wade Lightheart: I love it. And, you know, futurists are always subjected to radical conjecture condemnation, then begrudging acceptance, and then it's becomes mainstream as they say. And I believe that humans being an adaptive species by nature through their ability to communicate and to be able to extrapolate information and share that information and then to abstract solutions and run experiments is what will allow us to survive rapid civilization and technological input in the society. And so where can people reach you find out from you, hire you, whatever they need. Like, how do they get ahold of you?

 Dr. Tim Jackson: Yes. So my website is heal your body.org G. So that's HTTPS colon backslash backslash heal your body.org. And there's a work with Dr. Tim or apply to work with Dr. Tim tab on there. And you can send me a message and I'll get back and get back to you. And I wanted to mention if they put the code bio optimizers one zero that I'll extend a 10% discount on an initial consultation, one hour consultation,

 Wade Lightheart: Dr. Tim, that's so generous of you. I really appreciate it now. I'm sure some of our listeners are going to jump in and take advantage of it, certainly encourage them to do so because functional medicine is the, this is where technology and your health is kind of fusing together today in the world to make kind of this area of biohacking and longevity. And of course the avoidance of what are many times avoidable diseases or dysfunctions in the body. So we want to live long and analytic strong, any final words for our audience of encouragement before we close out,

 Dr. Tim Jackson: I would say, listen to your podcast because I reviewed your list of guests. And I was super impressed. You know, certainly I think I have great content that brings to the table, but you know, like you mentioned in the beginning were swimming in a sea of information, but starving for knowledge. And I think your podcast brings knowledge and with that's

 Wade Lightheart: Very kind of you and I thank you so much there, you have it. Folks from electrons, mitochondria to blockchain, there are things that you can do to change your life, your health, and your vitality. Hope you enjoyed this episode. Like it, share it and make sure that you reach out to Dr. Tim take advantage of his kind and generous offer. And most of all, remember that environment is stronger than will. So if you're not as well as you'd like to be, you need to change your environment and surely your future will change so long for this week. I'm Wade T. Lightheart from BiOptimizers. Thank you so much for joining us episode and we'll see you on the next one. Take care.