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126: Sickly Sweet: How Sugar is Crushing Our Health

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Dr. Jacoby discovers a critical connection.

Dr. Jacoby was trained initially in podiatry, so you may wonder how a foot doctor became an expert on sugar-related illnesses?

Well, Dr. Jacoby’s specialty in podiatry led him to see patients with diabetic polyneuropathy – which is the number one problem in the United States. Diabetic polyneuropathy is a neurological disorder of all the nerves in the body as a result of diabetes. Diabetic polyneuropathy often affects a person’s feet when they have diabetes.  

About twenty years ago, Dr. Jacoby attended a lecture and discovered a novel neuropathy treatment using decompressions on the extremities’ nerves. The speaker invited Dr. Jacoby down to Johns Hopkins, where he worked.

Dr. Jacoby took him up on the offer, went down there, read his textbooks and articles, and discovered how nerves in the lower extremities are being compressed physically by the chemical reaction of sugar that causes numbness, tingling, and burning sensations. This doctor concluded through intense research that diabetic neuropathy and carpal tunnel syndrome are the same things. 

Taking what he learned back to Scottsdale, this was only the beginning of the many dots that Dr. Jacoby begins connecting, which led him to some powerful conclusions and treatments. 

Along the way, Dr. Jacoby has treated thousands of patients, developing a unique holistic approach to understanding how sugar and carbs harm the body and the steps patients take to help regenerate nerves and rehabilitate their normal function dramatically. 

Time to drop the candy and listen to this fantastic episode!  

In this podcast, we cover:

  • How a podiatrist like Dr. Jacoby became a leading authority on sugar-related illnesses
  • How the simple formula: trauma + sugar = dysfunction explains the cause of so many diseases
  • Why cholesterol is a “healing molecule” – not a bad guy
  • What are the differences in the diseases related to corn-based sugars vs. wheat-based sugars?
  • The role your microbiome plays in sugar-related disease
  • Some aspects of the medical field that hinder progress and healing
  • Why high fructose corn syrup causes more disease than cane sugar
  • Actions you can take at any age to begin healing from sugar damage

How a trip to Taiwan led to more evidence convicting sugar of physical abuse

Forty years ago, the Surgeon General of Taiwan invited Dr. Jacoby to visit his country to help figure out why diabetes was popping up in that country for the first time? His name was Dr. Luke Chu – M.D. Ph.D. in pharmacology. 

While Dr. Jacoby was there, he didn’t find a new patient with diabetes. Because it was still so rare back then, today, it’s prevalent almost everywhere. When Dr. Jacoby asked Dr. Chu what the word for diabetes is in Mandarin, Chu replied, “diabetes.” Dr. Jacoby pointed out that the word has a Greek origin, which means the country and culture had no word to explain the symptoms Dr. Chu was beginning to see in Taiwan. Dr. Jacoby concluded that the nation’s current diet must have something to do with it. 

A colossal study recently conducted looked at fast-food receipts from 37 countries. Many variables were analyzed – meat, cheese, bread, condiments, and drinks.

The study concluded what Dr. Jacoby suspected was happening in Taiwan 40 years ago: the number one variable connected to diabetes is sugary drinks or sodas. 

The MS, Fibromyalgia, ALS connections to sugar

Dr. Jacoby spends a lot of time in this interview talking about the connections he has found between sugar and some of the most widely known diseases today – from multiple sclerosis to amyotrophic lateral sclerosis…do you see the common word there? “Sclerosis.” In medicine, the word sclerosis means an “abnormal hardening of body tissue.” In Dr. Jacoby’s opinion, based on decades of research, sugar affects our body tissues. 

If you don’t know – these diseases have the same symptoms of numbness, tingling, burning, and motor control loss. Carpal tunnel is the same. Sugar damages nerves like the glossopharyngeal nerve that is a part of your swallowing reflex. 

Dr. Jacoby also explains how sugar plays a significant role in arteriosclerosis (there’s that word “sclerosis” again), a.k.a. hardening of the arteries. 

Breaking out of the “specialization silo” of podiatry has enabled Dr. Jacoby to make some exciting connections that a specialist would never find because they typically look only at the same things and talk to the same people throughout their medical career. 

Don’t be another statistic for diabetes and the horrible health results that often occur to those who abuse sugar or cannot process sucrose due to no fault of their own. Check out Dr. Jacoby for answers. 

You already know that too much sugar is not suitable for you. Whatever you may call it: “doughnut cocaine,” “pixy stix,” or “carney crack,” the sweet white sand commonly called sugar is a wrecking ball on your body. 

Tune in to this episode. Dr. Jacoby can help you overcome the health issues sugar brings to those who love it too much. 

Episode Resources: 

Dr. Jacoby’s Extremity Health Centers
Dr. Jacoby’s Book Sugar Crush
Dr. Jacoby on Facebook
Dr. Jacoby on LinkedIn
Richard Jacoby on YouTube

Read The Episode Transcript:

 Wade Lightheart: Good morning. Good afternoon. And good evening. It's Wade T Lightheart from BiOptimizers with another edition of the Awesome Health Podcast and boy oh boy, you want to listen to this today because we are going to talk about how sugar is affecting the body and making people more susceptible to illness. But more importantly, I'm going to introduce our special guest today, Dr. Richard Jacoby, who has treated thousands of patients with peripheral neuropathy. And you want to know about this because it is a horrible condition. Now he shares his insights as well as the story behind how he connected the dots to determine how sugar is the common denominator of many chronic diseases. I think it today, if it was actually released, it'd be a schedule, one drug in Sugar Crush. He offers a unique holistic approach to understanding the exacting toll sugar and carbs take on the body. Based on his clinical work, he breaks down his highly effective methods showing how dietary changes, reducing sugar and wheat coincide with an increase of good fats can dramatically help regenerate nerves and rehabilitate their normal functions. Dr. Jacoby, welcome to the show.

 Richard Jacoby: I'm happy to be here.

 Wade Lightheart: This, we talked just for a couple seconds and we got, we went from sugar rate to STEM cells and I'm like, we got to stop right now because this whole thing was sugar. I mean, let's talk about sugar. Let's just, what's your experience. Maybe give a little bit of background about your credentials and then how you got into this whole topic about sugar and its impact and what we can do about it.

 Richard Jacoby: Well, I've been doing this for a long time. My training is as a podiatrist, which makes me sound like I'm involved in this process. But when you really think about it, diabetic polyneuropathy is the number one problem in the United States. I think you are from, I didn't ask you.

 Wade Lightheart: Originally from Canada, but I'm living in Venice beach, California.

 Richard Jacoby: Oh, you lucky guy. So you're on the beach and you were from Canada. I train with a fellow by the name of Lee Dellon, who his partner at the time wasSusan McKenna from Canada, by the way. And he had a novel or has a novel approach to diabetic neuropathy. I met him after a lecture about 20 years ago, and he's from Johns Hopkins and professor of neurosurgery. And he was doing decompressions of nerves of the extremity. I went up to him after the lecture, and then I had never heard of this technique. And he said to me, why do you podiatrist cut the nerve out of the foot when that's the only nerve cut out? I said, well, that's what we're trained to do as everybody was. He said, I'm going to show you a different way. Inviting me down to Johns Hopkins.

 Richard Jacoby: I did go down there. I read his textbooks. I read most of his articles. He's published at least 700 articles on this topic. Sugar is the common denominator of nerve compression. And that means the nerves, the lower extremity are being compressed physically by the chemical reaction of sugar that causes the numbness, the tingling, the burning, the loss of balance and his novel approaches to decompress these nerves. Now, how did he come to that conclusion? Well, about 1984 patient of his had carpal tunnel and she said to him, Dr. Dellon, why don't you fix my legs? And he said, well, that's a different disease. He went to the laboratory, did tremendous research on this subject, came up with the conclusion that diabetic neuropathy is the same thing as carpal tunnel. And he's a professor of neurosurgery. He's got the credentials and the laboratory to figure all this stuff out.

 Richard Jacoby: I met him in the year 2000. He introduced me to the subject. I brought it back to Scottsdale. I brought it to the wound care center, which I helped found about 35 years ago. I did thousands of these procedures. It works, but there was no research, like big pharma license to do. So you have to do millions and millions of dollars worth of research on a surgical topic. It's hard to do. It's been done. He's right. And it works. So I made the mistake about 15 years ago, I said, Dr. Dellon, and at that time he was allowed to call him Lee, first name is Lee. I think it was more your topic. And he said, why don't you figure it out? I said, what? And he didn't say it nicely. So, I mean, I was treading on his theory. So I said, well, I'll start reading outside the box.

 Richard Jacoby: I started reading articles that I got lucky in the beginning of a doctor at Stanford. His name is John Cooke with an E. If people want to look it up, he wrote an article in 2004 in circulation journal, and it was called the Uber marker. And his molecule was asymmetric, dimethyl arginine. Now, this is just around the time when they got the Nobel prize for finding out the nitric oxide even existed. It was called the, elaxing factor syndrome X basically. So I text him, he calls me on the phone like two hours after I mentioned that to him. He said, come up to Stanford. Let's look at that. I did, seed this story up as a really long story. So I tested my patients with his molecule and I made the link between diabetic neuropathy, ulnar neuropathy at the elbow carpal tunnel.

 Richard Jacoby: And MS. And I said, wait a minute. The biochemistry is the same. The physiology is the same. The symptoms are very similar to all these diseases, numbness, tingling, burning while that's the autonomic nervous system. That's the beginning of this process. So I did all this work with him and he said, well, quit your practice. Come up, work with me at Stanford. And we'll figure this out. Then Dr. Dellon said, come down to Johns Hopkins work with me. So I was in between these two great institutions. I said, no, I'll write a book because it's going to take 15 years to figure it out. And it did. And I was right. And that is the correct answer to this really complicated question. So what is ADMA asymmetric Dimethylarginine it is really just another manifestation of sugar. High-Fructose corn syrup in particular, I believe is that sugar.

 Richard Jacoby: So when you look at the literature and let me just segue back, actually I started thinking about it 40 years ago, I was asked by the surgeon general of Taiwan to go there, to figure out why they had diabetes 40 years ago. His name is Dr. Luke Chu. He was a MD PhD in pharmacology. He said, why do we have diabetes? Well, I went over to the country. I went there many times and I say, I can't find anybody who has diabetes. It was very rare 40 years ago, but now it's very prevalent. I said, by the way, what's the word for diabetes in Mandarin? He said, diabetes. I said, well, that's a Greek word. You really don't have a word to explain the symptoms you're seeing. It's gotta be the diet. I mean, I guess it could be meteorite, hitting people in the head, and maybe that's causing it.

 Richard Jacoby: But I think it's probably the diet, but what in the diet? I did not know. I really didn't, but I set up their clinics. I went all back and forth couple of years and I was convinced it was the diet. Now it's interesting. Recently, an article came out, that looked at a voluminous,uand study on 20 years of history on, I think it was 37 countries looking at the cashier, cashier receipts of fast food restaurants. So let's say there's 20 variables in that, from the meat, the cheese, the bread, the soda, they catch up, whatever. And what do you think the number one variable in diabetes was?

 Wade Lightheart: Sugar.

 Richard Jacoby: And where was that? It was in the drinks. Number one. Yeah, it's in the meat. It's in the bread. It's in the cheese, but number one is sugar.

 Richard Jacoby: There's no arguing. This is a huge study. So now we know what sugar, where's it coming from? How is it made? And really what's the biochemistry of this process. And how does it produce all of these diseases? So one of the questions I asked Dr. Cooke, and if anybody wants to look up that article, it was in circulation journal 2004. Cooke's name is with an E at the end, it's called the Uber marker. So I said, Dr. Cooke, you've written 500 articles. Please don't make me read every one of them. Although I did read a lot of them, give me the bottom line. He's a great guy, great investigator. And I said, the first question I have this cholesterol problem. I really don't understand it. Now, this is 15 years ago. I said, what does cholesterol have to do with anything? And here is his answer.

 Richard Jacoby: He said, the lining of the blood vessel is called the endothelium. And in his words is like Teflon. When you eat sugar, it makes the lining like Velcro. So as signaling molecule, which is cholesterol is signaling to go to the scene of the accident, puts down cholesterol. We call that plaque, keep meaning sugar. You keep building up plaque, hardening of the arteries. So I did a deep dive on that subject. And I'm telling you, I don't know if this is, these investigators are all paid off or they're just stupid. I'm not sure I'll let the audience figure that one out. But I saw them as very, very bright guys. So let's go back to 1863. This guy's name is Verical spoke five languages. He was the first one I could find. He opened up an artery in 1863, looked at the artery. And he said in English, what is this gunk? And gunk in Greek is athero. And if it's hard, it's atherosclerosis. That's what he saw. That's not a diagnosis. That's an observation, which it was a good one. What is in the gunk? The gunk is cholesterol. Aha. We learned if we lower cholesterol, that disease will go away. Absolutely not true, but we just hit a trillion dollars of taking statin drug for no reason. Well, good reason. If you have a high mortgage, I guess the answer is sugar. And that's what it is. And it always had been sugar.

 Wade Lightheart: So cholesterol is actually just a marker of the inflammatory response in the body because of this roughing of the artery, is that, would that be a …?

 Richard Jacoby: So sugar causes inflammation, which irritates the endothelium and cholesterol is a healing molecule. And it'll go to the area of the inflammation. It's like an accident outside. You hear a siren every day, you look out the window and you never see the accident, but you hear the sirens signal, and you look at, and you say, wow, I'll bet you ambulances are causing accidents. Cause you don't see anything else. I fell that happened, not on a, that was sinister and just how it happened or whatever. But that's another story for another day. So a lot of investigators from there to where we are in the present. So that was one question I had that was answered. So it is sugar, which one? And how has it made and why are we eating so much? Well, the answer is, it tastes great.

 Richard Jacoby: And I forgot to corn syrup is a liquid form and even tastes better. So let's look at the USDA and all this sort of thing, that food pyramid, it says eat six to 11 helpings of grains, the bottom of the pyramid. Well, it's possible. That's hard to do by the way. That's a lot of grains, a lot of grain and then fruit is on the next level. And then you get up to maybe some fat, well it's upside down, but if you're selling grains, that's a good thing to fall. And that was that's the United States department of agriculture. Now you're in Venice beach. You have leaves to get vitamin D there on the beach. So we're not getting the right nutrients to begin with because of that government agency telling us that the absolutely the wrong thing. Absolutely. And we're paying our tax dollars to get us sick.

 Richard Jacoby: Okay. And it's being subsidized now is high fructose corn syrup. And I don't know if your audience knows how that's made, but, and it's not exactly made the way it is that when I was doing my studies, but we take the first of all, it's grown with genetically modified corn. And that's a whole big issue on, I don't know if you had Stephanie Seneff on your show.

 Wade Lightheart: Not yet, but.

 Richard Jacoby: Stephanie is coming out and should have her on. She's coming out with a new book in June, which will explain that whole process in detail. And I met her about 10 years ago and she's a, from MIT and she knows the whole physiology and biochemistry of the shikimate pathway is what your microbiome is all about. So I texted her and said, Hey, Steph help me through this one. She's written a lot of papers.

 Richard Jacoby: And she did. And she was wonderful person. Walk me through this pathway. So genetically modified corn really means that Monsanto corn that makes the seed and the herbicide glyphosate, which is the active ingredient. So that means you take the gene out, put a new gene in corn can grow. Everything else dies. They went through the FDA. So yeah, that's another government agency, isn't it? Yeah. So they went through that and they got passed because they never checked the shikimate pathway in the gut bacteria use that pathway, bacteria love sugar. So I'll just segue over to the Vegas nerve. Cause we looked at MS in this whole equation. So these organisms in your gut and there are about 500 to a thousand organisms, they love sugar. And they're going to send a signal to your hippocampus in your brain. And that's the craving you get.

 Richard Jacoby: I can't live without this stuff. It's a love, hate relationship. But the guys in your gut, they're telling you to do that up the Vegas nerve to your hippocampus, three things that the hippocampus does. Number one, long-term memory linked to Alzheimer's number two, you're craving your addiction center. And number three, the olfactory nerve. And I find that interesting because that is big, big problem in our society today. Alzheimer's when you do a volume metric MRI of the hippocampus, it shrinks up over time because it's being affected by sugar. So you lose your memory, but you know what? You lose first, the sense of smell,

 Wade Lightheart: Right!

 Richard Jacoby: Yes So that relates back to Dr. Dellon. So now I'm back. So now how to Stanford back with Dr. Dellon said, look, what I learned here. And I said, you know what? I think your theory that carpal tunnel ulnar tunnel and their name tunnels and [inaudible] the tarsal tunnel and the fibular tunnel, et cetera, if there's true and this is true. And that is true. Why would not all the tunnels be true with the same biochemistry? So Dr. Dellon says to me, Oh, I don't know about that. Where's your proof. And he's a good scientist, but I said, it's my hypothesis. But I I'm going to try to prove it, but I have to at least articulate first and I don't have 15 years. I don't want to have your budget at NIH. So I'll write a book and that's what Sugar Crushed the book is about. So that's what it is.

 Wade Lightheart: Great story to get to the book. How many decades did this take?

 Richard Jacoby: Well, if you think about it, it probably took me 40 years from that first cognition from Dr. Chu to say, what's the Mandarin word for diabetes. And I went, GEE, you have to have the problem to have a word to describe it. Then as when I went back to all these -itises, I like to call them. So let's talk about MS. So what does MS mean Multiple Sclerosis? Gee,

 Wade Lightheart: There's that word again? Right.

 Richard Jacoby: Hardening sclerosis. Well, another guy he was in France, his name was Charcot just about the same time, 1860s. So he was treating patient with numbness, tingling, burning, difficulty walking, and had autopsy section that person's brain looked at it. And so these little white spots on the brain and the cervical area of the spine, and he named it multiple areas of white spots, which we know as MS. Multiple sclerosis. Now, where is that a disease? That's an observation. What is causing these white spots? I think the answer is sugar causes inflammation, the body heals by scarring fibrosis, and it chokes off the nerves and this particular case, the Vegas nerve, and you have two of them, they're coming out of your neck. And that's what we saw with Dr. Cooke's molecule asymmetric, dimethylarginine at the beginning of this cascade of symptoms. Now, when I argue and I do argue quite often every day, I just had a good argument and it's interesting.

 Richard Jacoby: And I, actually liked this argument because, well, you're a 
podiatrist. What would you know about that? And I said, that's interesting. Why would I know that when you're the expert in that disease and you don't have a clue. And the answer is because I have a different look at it, I'm not an investigator in there. And just make an observation like for Cal or Charcot did it's up to real scientists to pick that apart and disprove what I'm saying. And I guarantee you at camp, but they're looking for a drug. They're looking for a drug to take and never telling the patient to stop eating sugar, because that's where the money is.

 Wade Lightheart: To treat the symptom, not the cause, which is the new England journal of medicine says that we treat the symptoms of disease,

 Richard Jacoby: Of course, because that's where the money is. They asked, well, we sat near from Canada. I don't know if you know that name. Do you know Willie Sutton?

 Wade Lightheart: No,

 Richard Jacoby: He has a famous bank robber in the fifties. So he would Rob banks all the time.

 Wade Lightheart: And that's where the money is. Yes.

 Richard Jacoby: That's why he robs banks. That's why you make drugs because that's where the money is. Now. I'm not saying that sinister, but it is if you have MS. And you're really not getting the truth, the answer is sugar. It is. And Canadians by the way, have a much higher prevalence for MS. And you have a lot of wheat in Canada and that's a carbohydrate. And it's, I don't know if that particular is made with glyphosate, but I suspect it is. Yeah.

 Wade Lightheart: Yeah. If there is a big issue in wheat production and of course the agricultural and federal government and subsidies, and then the use of genetically modified Monsanto crops, which is now owned by Bayer, which is company. And the fact that the under, I believe it was the Obama administration that they allow they gave a pass for Monsanto to be ever sued. Oh, yes. For the contamination of genetically modified crops with non-genetically cause these killer seeds spread. And then Monsanto was actually suing farmers in Alberta, because they found their genetically modified seeds in their garden and they were, so it was like totally backwards towhat seemed to be sensible, which is a deep, deep, you know, bag of poo that people can take a look at and start to wonder, but let's get back to this. I love the fact that you pointed out that multiple sclerosis and fibrosis and quote unquote, hardening of the arteries and neuropathy all had a common element to this.

 Wade Lightheart: It's an inflammatory response. That's building up this plaque tissue, which is leading to the, I guess, the shutting off of oxygen and all these sorts of things to function. Right. So continue on with this. And why you wrote the book that you did after four decades of investigative research in order to kind of come up here and say, Hey, not only does this apply to my discipline, but it has an extensive application to everything else. And thus for people looking, I guess there's one piece I want to look at less people looking to optimize their health need to consider this. But you mentioned something about in Canada, which we do have a lot of wheat based products, but I've also noticed in the States, particularly the Southern States and also into Latin America, I've lived down there as well. There's a lot of corn based products. So are we seeing a difference in say that the types of diseases related to corn versus wheat based, is there?

 Richard Jacoby: Yeah, I think that's a very good observation. They're all carbohydrates, but certainly there's different subtly subtle to how the biochemistry works. And that brings us to another subject called epigenetics. So I like to introduce the group to that word if they don't know that word and how it works. So we all have subtle differences in our genetic makeup. So, and we have to, we have to have biodiversity. So if a meteorite went off tomorrow morning and we got 7 billion people in the planet, I guarantee you there'll be a million or so people that could breathe sulfuric acid, then they would live in the rest of us would die. Right? Cause that's health organisms face unknowns by biodiversity. So that's a good word. That's, real, it's in the news all the time, but not really applied to biology, but little bit later in our discussion, we'll talk about COVID-19 and those little guys called viruses and how they fit into this whole equation.

 Richard Jacoby: And that's part of the deal. So I started to look at the cranial nerves and I took a different approach, I want to know what's the number one symptom like MS Numbness, tingling, burning, and loss of motor control. Exactly. Same symptoms of diabetic neuropathy, carpal tunnel, same thing, ulnar tunnels, same thing. Next one is the ninth cranial nerve, which is A L S now most people are pretty heptic. They go, yeah, I know that. Well, do you really, do you know what it means? Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. Oh, I know that. Well, do you know what that word means? No, here's that what it means? A and Latin is no, myotrophic means the muscle function lateral, because you're one cranial nerve on either side of your neck and there's our good word sclerosis again. So no muscle function on the inner side of the neck because of sclerotic, hardening of the glossopharyngeal nerve, primarily there's some other areas involved in that.

 Richard Jacoby: And that nerve is part of the, your reflex to swallow. If you can't swallow the slide that goes in your lungs and you die, it takes about five years. So let's go back to carpal tunnel. Was that same as car with carpal tunnel? Yes. In my opinion. So we have a nerve, the median nerve, we have a muscle and we have a function. So what causes this on the wrist might my formula is trauma plus sugar equals nerve dysfunction. So back to Dr. Dellon. So I brought that up to him. He said, well, and he was like to say, you don't say Johns Hopkins. If you went there, it's kind of a woke thing for Johns Hopkins. You can say, if you went there Hopkins, cause that's the N word to say. And so they said, well, you know, we have like seven Noble Laureate are here to say to me that I'm wrong.

 Richard Jacoby: So now I'm arguing with the Nobel laureates, which is intimidating. And what they were saying to me was that small fiber neuropathy, which is the autonomic nervous system. Now this is going back 15 years is a separate and distinct disease than large fiber. And that's what was known 15 years ago, I am saying and did say then that small fiber and large fiber are nothing more than the continuum of the inflammatory process from very small axons, which are the smallest units of nerves to the very large myelinated motor nerves. So it really goes from unmyelinated to myelinated, the thicker that insulation, the more electricity it goes to the nerve and the more worked at it does seems that rather logical to me, but not to these Laureates. I said, I can't. Yeah, go ahead.

 Wade Lightheart: I have a question about that. And one of the things that I've noticed inside the diversity of medical designation. So, if you go to your general practice medical advisor, he kind of says, okay, well, I'm seeing some markers here, let's send you to a specialist. That specialist is highly trained in that particular condition, but not in anything else. And he'll notice something and they're like, well, you know, we need to send you to another specialist. And then that specialist tells about that. But each one of these individuals are living in kind of an isolated compartment with its own education system, its own experts, its own kind of almost a tribalism related to that specific field and avoid commenting and other areas in departments. Do you think that conditioning leads very intelligent, hard driven scientists to become compartmentalized in their conclusions and not thinking in turn of the whole body, but just in that specific area in general.

 Richard Jacoby: Wow. You really articulated that well, and that discussion has gone on and the word for that is they're on their own silos, correct. Which gives even more definitions and compartmentalize because you're isolated in this department, a silo in a vertical thinking and you're not across pollinating these ideas the way I think I did insure a crush. And it was, it was, I shouldn't say it was easy, but I had an advantage because I was coming from a much different point of view. I knew the terminology, they were all speaking of, but I could see the manifestation in the lower extremity. And I use the word, see people have small fiber neuropathy and I'll explain that a little bit more detail in a second. I call that the Clarion sign of this disease process, it's noisy, it's painful. So people who get small fiber neuropathy, their symptoms are burning.

 Richard Jacoby: It's very painful. Whereas if let's say you had on anomic neuropathy, if your heart is not painful, you might get atrial fib fluttering of your heart muscle. Oh gee, there it is again, small nerve. Innervating a muscle doing a different function. And what is causing an aberration? As I like to say, I think it's sugar that's what a Fib is and it's causing sclerosis of the autonomic interruption and you get a muscle problem. And that function is deadly. So in the leg is noisy. It's not deadly in the beginning, but a sudden cardiac arrest is deadly. As I say, I'm trying to get a new book out. One of the chapters is dead is a bad symptom. Okay?

 Richard Jacoby: That's the symptom that you don't want.

 Wade Lightheart: That's one you don't come back from, right?

 Richard Jacoby: So the Clarion noisy, painful. Get my attention, do something symptom of small fiber neuropathy. No. Why is that? And that just bothered me for a long time to get the right answer. I think this is the answer. So fibromyalgia is one of those symptoms and that's a descriptive term because they heard all over fibro muscle myalgia. Well, it's the small fiber nerves and small fiber nerves are. I don't know if you can see that, say that's the dermis and the here comes the nerves through the dermis, into the epidermis. They're unmyelinated, not insulated. Now we're talking microscopic. So anything we have in our environment from food to anything else, even sunlight is going to irritate those nerves and you're going to have pain and the symptom is burning.

 Richard Jacoby: So that's the very, very first symptom of I hurt all over and it's got to be from what you're eating it. My studies say, yes, it is sugar. And we'll get into that biochemistry in a little bit, if you want to, before everybody falls asleep. But think of a light bulb, light bulb is well insulated. You take the filament, you peel back the insulation, electricity goes through and it heats up the film and you have light that's its function. If you take off the insulation and connected to a motor, you'll have a motor motor moves things. So it has big installation, more electricity, more wise. I mean, that's the theory. So I was saying 15 years ago, this is not a separate and distinct disease. Although the argument back to me was back then was like 10 disease. Can it, is it hereditary disease?

 Richard Jacoby: You're born. You get it. And that's it. That's why they thought it was a separate disease. 50 people had it for God's sake. And the whole world now millions of people have small fiber neuropathy it's caused by sugar, affects the autonomic first, then the sensory and then the motor that was not known back then. But I'm arguing with even my own professor there. And it was funny because they'd gang up. And would say so you don't understand what I understood what you were saying, but I didn't agree with what you're saying. That's two different Conclusions. It's not that I didn't understand. You were saying, I just don't agree with it. But when they say it's a Nobel Laureate said it well, how do you argue that

 Wade Lightheart: Arguing with a Nobel Laureate or you to possibly condemn the Holy purveyors of truth.

 Richard Jacoby: Right in the silo. And I was trapped, right. But at a higher level on Dr. Dellon and Dr. Cooke are at that high level, they are super intellects. They really are and written hundreds of papers. They're very, very tuned into what is the real cause. And they would be great guys to interview by the way. And then I met some people from Harvard and a guy from university of Washington. His name is Pall. Last name is Pall P-A- L-L. And he's into this whole electromagnetic field five G issue, which is actually has something to do with what I'm talking about by the way, too much to talk about, but it is a trauma and traumatized nerves when you're holding it mounted, just getting this for real quick. If you're holding this next year, year, and you have a 5g and you're eating a lot of sugar and it's inflamed, you're going to have problems. And I think that this glioblastoma elevation prevalence is real and glioblastomas are coming from this process.

 Wade Lightheart: I got it. So going back to this formula, the simplified formula, when you combine the trauma, regardless of its source, combined with sugar equals the dysfunction and often shows up as a sclerosis,this plaque building up as a repair mechanism, and you can become essentially a victim of your own repair mechanisms because of too much trauma , and a condition that leads to this, the sugar formation , as a negative consequence, would that be an accurate assessment?

 Richard Jacoby: More than accurate? So, yeah, so the traumas and I looked at the physics of that. So you have gravitational trauma just wear and tear and like the keyboard. That's why carpal tunnel was thought to be that, but that was 1974. So let's talk about carpal tunnel. Cause that's where this theory came from with Dr. Dellon and two guys prior to that and their names were Upton and McComas. And they wrote a paper in Lancet on the double crush syndrome. So that's why my book is called Sugar Crush. And here's the answer to that. So Dr. Dellon was looking at the carpal tunnel and he had a lot to do with its develop and in surgery, just phenomenal human being. But 1974, the home computers came out. So everybody's, the trauma from doing that is causing repetitive motion injuries, which is a factor, but you know, what was next to that keyboard can of Coke,

 Wade Lightheart: Just going to say, 1970s, we're talking about the marble man and have a coconut smile.

 Richard Jacoby: You got It. And then coke

 Wade Lightheart: There should have been, have a coconut syndrome.

 Richard Jacoby: Yeah. 1974 is when high fructose corn syrup was replaced. They were replacing that into Coke, Coca Cola.

 Wade Lightheart: What was the source before that?

 Richard Jacoby: It was a beet sugar and cane sugar. Now in Mexico, they continue to use cane sugar. And also they continue to use glass bottles, which as what a lot of people say, well, I like Coke from Mexico because it's in glass containers and it's real sugar still bad, but actually better than what we were doing here. Right.

 Wade Lightheart: Microplastics is another issue. I mean, I have a high level concierge client that I'm dealing with right now. And we we've found extraordinarily high levels of plastics inside his body. And maybe you could comment just a little about that because we're starting to see this more and more inside of tissues of humans to becoming plastified. And I don't know of any methods to remove plastics out of the body. Do you?

 Richard Jacoby: I don't. And an article just came out for animals as well for that very issue. And they are, we are. So I don't know what you can do about that once it's in there. Cause we don't have any enzymes that break down that particular process. So that's, going to be a big deal or is a big deal. So this is how I was thinking. So then I went to look at as many different itises that I could, and one of the itises I also had myself, so let's go back in time. So this is probably 35 years ago, I'm going to go skiing. And I get this severe pain in my right lower quadrant. I go back and get an old sound. I have a gallstone. Well,, the pain is unbelievable. So I treated it. Oh, why that's diet?

 Richard Jacoby: Isn't it eating too much fat? Isn't it? That's the prevailing diet. Oh, I don't eat a lot of fat. I should eat more. I should not eat any fat. What do you eat if you don't have any fat carbs and protein? Okay. Then I get another attack. And then I had the surgery. I was on my way to ski and I turned around. I said, I can't go up in the mountain with this thing. So I'll get it out of there. I'll speed. This story up. So that was about 35 years ago and I'm thinking about it. And I go into the lunchroom at the hospital. At that time, I was just pretty much doing hospital surgery in the wound care center, gangrene and all that sort of thing. And one of the family doctors says what happened to you. And I said, I had my gallbladder at, and he said, ah, that's because you don't exercise your gallbladder enough just to be funny.

 Richard Jacoby: And he's got a big plate of food and he was a pretty good size guy. And I thought to myself, that's how you'd think you'd go around. You know, maybe he's right. I never ate breakfast. I did surgery early. I had cream and sugar in my coffee. I ate the bagels and crap then had a big hospital. Lunch was probably all carbs. And then I saw some patients. Then I went to the gym and went to the gym every day in my life. My weight was creeping up, even though I was going to the gym, but I satisfied or rewarded myself with food, just like everybody else did. Right. And so, anyway, so that's in the back of my mind. I'm starting to think about neuropathy. I run into Dr. Dellon. He introduces me to the concept of nerve compression. I'm really doing a deep dive. Now this is the Canadian connection. Number three, Susan McKennan, we, and now doctor,is name is spelled D Y C K. Now I don't know how to pronounce that name. And I'm giving a lecture and a friend of mine who was at the Mayo clinic. We're actually, we practice together. He's a neurologist. So I called him up and said, Hey, Jeff. I said, how do you pronounce that name? I don't know what team he's playing on. Right.

 Richard Jacoby: How do you pronounce that name? Is it Dick or? D U I C K. And he is Canadian and his actual, his first name is Peter. Oh, his name. I know, I know Peter Dick, but he's Canadian. He does know our slang down here at Venice beach. Right. So did I mention his son is a neurologist as well, and they're both neurologists world famous. Wow, Jr. Oh man. Big Dick and little Dick had a theory.

 Richard Jacoby: I hope they don't beat me up.

 Wade Lightheart: I'm sure they're used to. I'm sure they're used to it.

 Richard Jacoby: So, but the senior doctor will go with that. He wrote a textbook on peripheral neuropathy, diabetic peripheral neuropathy. Of course I had to read this thing to figure out what was going on. And so beautifully written book. He's head of Mayo clinics, neurology department. And in that book, he says people had their gallbladder out, go on to have diabetes. And I had my gallbladder out and I went and I am in the wound care center. And so let's say a patient came in, I say, hi, Mr. Jones, what can I do for you? I see that foot smells horrible. You got gangrene. Let me go through your history. You take this, that, and the other thing you're diabetic. Oh, you had your gallbladder out 25 years before it cardiac disease. And I'm thinking, is this me 25 years from now? [Inaudible 43:06] question.

 Richard Jacoby: And sure enough, 50% of the patients who have diabetic neuropathy and go on to have gangrene do have their gallbladders have. So what is the connection now? I'm really all in. So this 35 years ago, and I'm thinking about this, then I run into Dr. Dellon. I go nerve muscle gallbladder function. I go, wait a minute. If you don't eat fat, which they still tell you today, don't eat fat. You're going to be eating carbs. That's what I was doing. So sugar through the biochemical pathways. First one is on autonomic. So signal goes down to your gallbladder, down the nerve to the muscle and it squeezes and chews out some bile into your intestine. Now, if it doesn't fully empty, doesn't fully work. It will leave some cholesterol again in the bile, duct, it clogs it with a stone. Cause it gives building up again. They go there and you know the answer, Oh, it's hard to cholesterol. You could call it.

 Wade Lightheart: Sclerosis. If you want it to, Actually It'd be like gallbladder, sclerosis, as opposed as to the creation of a quote unquote stone.

 Richard Jacoby: Correct. Which is [inaudible]

 Wade Lightheart: [Inaudible] made out of just a cook, just so people make sure they got the conclusion.

 Richard Jacoby: Yeah. It's cholesterol in there and it's hard and blocks and it's painful. But I did have [inaudible] that was 35 years ago. Now I wouldn't change my diet. Number one, I didn't, but my mother had her gallbladder out and I had a brother actually had it. And so I thought in my mind, Oh, this is hereditary, but it really epigenetic. We're carrying that particular gene that expresses on that nerve where you may have it and you're drinking Coke and you're doing the typewriter and this nerve or this nerve or that nerve. So that's why they're all called different diseases. Cause each one of those silos is popping out. I just answer, right. They don't see the connection bright and big pharma doesn't want you to see that connection.

 Wade Lightheart: And even how could they even potentially see it if they're siloing their research and their definitions from experts within those fields who are looking to find a drug that can offset the condition. So even nefarious kind of projections aside I'm one that would be more likely to be nefarious. Disposable people would know. You could reasonably say how a great number of well-meaning people could come to an erroneous conclusion because of being too much of a specialist and not enough of a generalist to be able to know patterns over multiple areas of the human condition.

 Richard Jacoby: Well said, that's I mean, that's exactly what happened. So, but let me give you, I done this in a lecture. I like to offend everybody if I can. You know, so to be this point. So I was looking through the leisure and this guy Bruno's name came up 1508. He was a monk in the Vatican and he went to the Vatican. He says, Hey, you know, I think the earth is not the center of the universe and you know the sun and there, Oh, Bruno let's back off a little bit. That's not the accepted deal. And he kept it. Obviously tell you why Bruno, we're going to take you downstairs. Good, nice room downstairs, it's true story in the Vatican, he was there for about three years, a little slap therapy to come to a sense. It's kind of like they were doing to me.

 Richard Jacoby: But real slaps comes up and he said, what do you think? Well, you had three years to think about it. I said, well, you know, that's a good question. Not only do I think this is true and this is true, but the you're doing metaphorically, the earth as sun. I think other universities than they all my God, what are you talking about? This is anti religion at its core. Talking about a side, lit a fire and started burning at the stake. That's absolutely true. Story held. The cross told me, he said, do you change your story? I said, no, they burned him alive because he was trying to tell the truth. But inside the Vatican, the boys, the Cardinals had a set story for this. They had little cool hats on marble tables. They drank out of gold goblets. Is that the FDA? I don't know. It sounds familiar. Doesn't it? They're sitting around the table and they're there to the scientist of the day and they're going, this guy's crazy. We got, and it doesn't fit the narrative and they killed him. And they're killing people today by their reputation, social media, you know the deal because you're thinking outside the box.

 Wade Lightheart: I would say that that is the nature of tribalism, which is inherent in the brain physiology. And I think in our interpersonal relationships as humans, that we have to kind of extract so much information and, and, you know, we, we take shortcuts. And part of the social shortcuts that we do is an accepted components of social values and integrations and hierarchies within quote unquote, our tribe. And therefore anyone who's outside that tribal practices is now seen as someone who is a threat to your actual existence. And therefore all actions can be justified by in order to maintain quote unquote, a sense of rationality or a sense of health or the good of the wellbeing, because there's one of the other things of tribalism is interesting is that you project yourvalues or your reasons to do things as an extension of yourself, to everybody else. And, I think that's one of the dangers that we have when you give up too much authority to someone outside of yourself.

 Richard Jacoby: I think you're right. And it's probably been ongoing forever Schopenhauer.

 Wade Lightheart: It's part of the human condition, right?

 Richard Jacoby: Yeah, it is. And let me Schopenhauer, I think said it best because all new ideas go through three phases. First it's just ridiculed, which I was, and I'm sure he was, but then they get angry with you and they do with me. And then eventually they go, Oh, we knew that it's self-evident no, you didn't. So back in the 15 hundreds at the flat earth society, I would say they all that's peer reviewed, which is a really stupid way to evaluate a new concept. What do you think you're going to get, I'm going to ask you, you, you everybody agree with the flat earth. Yes. This guy does not kill him?

 Wade Lightheart: Yeah. It's so true. It's so true because that's again, tribal dynamics, right. You know, when they explain this, I think when the Spanish conquistadores came to South America, the tribesmen could not see the ships on the water. Very good analysis. Cause they had no frame of reference to see that there was a visual thing, as large as the ships sitting out there, which they could not witness until one of the shamonic members said, Hey, I can see these ships and told the tribes there's ships out there. And I think that illustration is perhaps maybe the best illustration. And we associate it with another time and another place of hundreds of years ago. But that is an expose of our own cognitive biases and the obscuration of information.

 Richard Jacoby: I think it fits the metaphor perfectly. And you can understand because you don't have a word for that. What's the word for diabetes in Mandarin? I don't know. We never saw it before. So we take somebody else's answer to the question, never looking at that fundamentally. Cause you would come to the conclusion. I think that I did. And the Vatican given them credit. I mean, if I was, let's say the 1500, I think it's just a different point of view. So let's say, I said to the, the Cardinals, give me the town idiot. Okay. And I'll take him and I'll take them up and I'll sit on the moon and I'll ask him that question. Is that what you see flat? Or is it round the idiot from a different point? He had look, is it it's round? Cause he has different.

 Richard Jacoby: That doesn't mean he's smart or not smart. It just so you can see it from … O like the ships they appear. And to the most people, they, because they didn't ever work for it. So they couldn't make the, eye can only understand what it sees. So that is all entered related to this concept of sugar and itis and the fibrosis and how we named all these diseases, which sound different. They're not different. They're different looked at autism. That's a very interesting one. I think that is nerve compression of the hypoglossal nerve, which is starts in the back of your brain and goes underneath your chin here, interface the tongue because the first is loss or delayed speech nerve muscle function. So why would that be?

 Richard Jacoby: So I went to a famous person here at Barrow neurological Institute. And we started to discuss that he, his name is John Stone and he explained to me, he thought, he said, he's a neuro geneticist. So he's just like pretty smart guy from Stanford, as a matter of fact. And he said, it's a pre genetic or pre conception problem. So I dug it through the literature and sure enough, there's an article. If anybody wants to read it, it's in scientific American year, 2000 written by an embryologist. And they looked at autistic spectrum disorder. They looked at the face of quote, unquote, normal against the spectrum kids and looked at them like, and they found at the band of age 22 days after conception to day, 24, there was a protein that did not get deposited at the back of the brain, what they call the olive.

 Richard Jacoby: And the difference between an autistic kid and a normal is 1.1 millimeter difference on day 22, to day 24, this is really good science, but their embryologist are making observations. They don't know who Dellon is. They don't know who Cooke is. They don't know who these people I read. So I'm reading their article with these lenses on, is this a nerve compression I'm going to ask you and your audience. So here's the hypoglossal nerve forms the day 22. Here's the distance between normal. Can you see that? Normal and abnormal? Here's a kid that's abnormal. Does that one protein is that nerve compressed? Yes or no?

 Wade Lightheart: Yes.

 Richard Jacoby: It is so delayed speech kids too. I need a drink of water. He can't pronounce it. Can't communicate. So it kicks us foot through the wall. They psychobabble, they medicate him. So he's sitting around or she, well, I, I don't know what else to do.

 Richard Jacoby: So I'll learn to play the piano. I'll do numbers in my head through neuro-plasticity. These kids are brilliant, but they can't speak. And they had different personalities, autistic spectrum disorder. So when that paper was written, it was written, there were 16 kids per 10,000 with autistic spectrum disorder. This year one in 38, one in 38. Soon to be one in two, according to Dr. Seneff from the MIT. If you get her on and she'll give you even a better dissertation on this subject than I do. So I went back and I said, why am I that's the compression, the hypoglossal nerve. That's what? So I went through all the different nerves and I came up with this theory and that's all it is not proven. I wrote the book for a real sign. Maybe it was a scientist out there right now. And it's going to say, I'm crazy. And that's the best way to disprove it. The null hypothesis prove me wrong. If you don't prove me wrong, you prove me right. That's what science is about. Put out new ideas, put it to the test and it could come back. You know, you're kind of right, but you've missed two other factors. That's fine. But it's a epigenetic process. I'm sure what's the trigger it is sugar. Is that so,

 Wade Lightheart: So is it sugar in with the child's consumption or is it sugar with the parents?

 Richard Jacoby: Parents. So I would venture to say the most pregnancies United States and probably Canada are conceived with a six pack of beer and a pizza, Or maybe two six packs, maybe more. Yes. So that's Russian roulette. So the male has set of alleles genes, female. You spin that wheel more probability under those conditions that those genes are going to be in that offspring. And that's the output. Now that is a really moral and ethical problem because if that is not looked at, from this point of view, you're causing a kid to live the rest of his life. With that defect that's in my mind, criminal,

 Wade Lightheart: Not to mention the consequences to society at large because of the economic coststo a society. Also, you know, societies essentially are set up to benefit from the efforts of its members through the taxation process. And so now, instead of having a producer who is contributing to society, you have someone now who is dependent on it, putting further strain on those who are in the or capable of production.

 Richard Jacoby: Yes. And they're going to be taxed it. They're going to be slaves. They are slaves. I think you're more enslaved than we are Canada. So that process is, you know, whole community is effected for sure. And it's not being solved. We're looking for a drug to solve it. That's not the answer. These kids are getting institutionalized is ruining marriages and communities and families in this state and in community where you live it's sugar prove me wrong. That should be an national crisis. It is a national crisis, not being talked about. We're talking about COVID

 Wade Lightheart: Now you cover this in your book, yes. Sugar Crush. And I'm encouraging everyone out there to get this book, especially if you're thinking of conceiving of having a family, because you've moved away from something that might be considered a degenerative condition at some point in the future. But your unawareness of this may be passing this on to your children unknowingly, which is it's one thing to do it unknowingly. But for those who are listening to this as saying, Hey, you know what? You better consider the consequences of your choices now of how that's going to impact not only your kids, and obviously you don't want to compromise your kids, but also that's going to compromise your life significantly, as well as, as the responsible individual who's brought this being into the world. And how much is that going to impact you and your contribution to society, your sense of happiness, your sense of connection with your partner and of course with your child is at large and then the bigger picture of society.

 Wade Lightheart: So this is a huge, we're talking about this instrument, sugar highly addictive works inside our brain systems that are reward mechanism and our addictive behavior, creating all these kinds of fibrosis scarring sclerosis, which are found in a variety of different conditions and have now become so pervasive, significant it's now being passed on genetically into our, an offspring at a rate that is astronomical and not within normal genetic mutations. Would you say like we did the rise of autism does not fit any known scientific model,as far as normal genetic variants, this is obviously there's an impact and this is understood. I'm just summarizing everything to make sure I got it. There's a trauma plus sugar leads to dysfunction. And whether that's in the formation of a new embryo, whether that is the development of tunnel, carpal syndrome, arterial sclerosis, multiple sclerosis neuropathy, any of these conditions can be traced to trauma, sugar, dysfunction. Have I got that right?

 Richard Jacoby: You nailed it. We didn't talk about ALS. Cause I think even makes a better case. Cause ALS is another nerve it's the 11th cranial nerve. And that is what we did discuss the ALS. The ninth cranial nerve, the prevalence is 400% higher in our NFL 400%. So that was the point I did make with the glossopharyngeal nerve. So a NFL lineman would you say is a carbohydrate junkie.

 Wade Lightheart: It's a requirement.

 Richard Jacoby: That's a better word to get to 350 pounds. Cause they pay. They pay by the pound in that league.

 Wade Lightheart: It definitely, and it's harder to move a 350 pound guy than it is a 250 pound guy.

 Richard Jacoby: Good observation. Would you say alignment, his neck would be hyper extended?

 Wade Lightheart: Absolutely.

 Richard Jacoby: Do you think it would get traumatized

 Wade Lightheart: Without fail

 Richard Jacoby: 400% higher incidents? 400, four times that average population, that argument alone needs to be investigated. I brought it to the NFL. They go to their silo, the ALS silo, which is here in at Edison at Bearers Neurologic. I went to them, explain the theory. They eyes kind of get like glazed over. What are you talking about? We are the authorities? What are you talking about? And they are the authorities. They know every gene mutation, cetera, et cetera, et cetera. They like STEM cells by the way, maybe is the good segue. Cause you can't reverse your parents. Correct. So why don't we take yeah,

 Wade Lightheart: So, I think we've, I think we've established a pretty good argument in around the, a massive variety of conditions. And again, please, for everyone, we're going to put all the links to the research in here, which you've done an extraordinary job of illustrating the point and the etymology of how you've come to this looks like a very strong theory. That is going to be very challenging to disprove in your book, Sugar Crush, but let's get into, okay, I get it. I understand the situation. You've made a compelling case. I need to take action in my life right now as a 30 year old, 40 year old, 50 year old, 60 year old, 70, or wherever I am in life. I probably taken on some damage here. I've probably made some choices that are leading me down the pathway to one of these conditions. And I want to avoid that. What is the pathway forward right now?

 Richard Jacoby: No, it's actually pretty easy. Cause you can't, I guess you get new parents.

 Wade Lightheart: There's a lot of people that would want that one. I'm not in that category. I was,

 Richard Jacoby: It sounds that you understand number one, get on a ketogenic diet. Number one, put butter in your coffee. I do it every day. It's not an easy transition or at least it wasn't for me when I did it 15 years ago, but the menu recipe items are out there. The food sources and the Bulletproof guy Asprey, he's done a phenomenal job getting attention on the ketogenic diet. We both had the same editor by the way, at Harper Collins, I thought of a butter coffee, but he got, I went to my,

 Wade Lightheart: The originator of buttered coffee was actually Paul Check. I didn't know that a lot of people don't know that. And it was picked up also by Laird Hamilton, the surfer, and then was then I think picked up and Dave Asprey did the world a great service about taking composites of a lot of different research in variety of areas in compiling into one area because he had a lot of physical challenges of himself had access to all the experts in the world and was getting poor results from that and said, I need to just figure this out myself. And while figuring out for himself, came up with the industry of biohacking and then, you know, the Bulletproof brand. And we've been very grateful for his contributions ever since,

 Richard Jacoby: Which is a yes. And, and this whole concept of this dialogue that we're having in and from a political standpoint, see the dialogue we're having. Why are we not having this dialogue on a national basis? We're being censored from all this stuff. Yes. You don't have to believe this. Listen to it, discuss it, argue it in a simple matter, because actually what we're doing and.

 Wade Lightheart: More importantly, They run the tests on the test and run an experiment amount, like what happens? So, so what are some of the tests I should run? I need to avoid this. What should I, what should I start doing? How do I start applying this?

 Richard Jacoby: I would say ketogenic diet, number one, maybe, number two, diet trumps exercise. You get more benefit from diet than you do from exercise. But most younger guys think in the gym all day long, they're going to be healthy. Yeah. You're going to get big muscles and stuff, but you're not going to be healthy. Just like I wasn't. So number two, and I had this expression with STEM cells and I'll explain, I don't know how much time we have left.

 Wade Lightheart: Just keep going. This is just nothing but gold nuggets flying around here. So we're going to [inaudible] okay. So, so first thing, number one, ketogenic diet

 Richard Jacoby: Replace carbs with fat replace grass fed any butter cream meat. And the global warming thing is all part of this. The green deal as part of this, because I see that Bill Gates is really going against animals cause he thinks that's the global warming the method while he is right. It is, but you don't get rid of animals. I just had a great discussion. Before we came on with a gentleman who looks at large migrations of animals on planet earth, from a guy from Harvard, animals are good for the environment. We just happened to be one of them. How do we fit in? And how do they fit in like the bison millions of bison and buffaloes? When we for the white man first got here, we killed them all. What were they eating? They were eating grass. They were in improving the environment, not destroying it.

 Richard Jacoby: What is the difference? When you eat grass that goes for humans, the gas that we release is methane. If you're eating sugar, different chemical reaction, different gas, and that harms the environment. So the animals are not eating grass. They're eating corn and they're in CAFOs. And in Kansas, basically cows don't eat corn unless that's the only thing for dinner eat grass. So what's the difference. They make mega three fatty acids. When they're eating grass, they make Amiga six fatty acids when they're eating corn and you released that gas, which is harmful for them and us and everybody else. And it ruins the environment. And now I would love to debate that with Bill Gates. No, you don't get rid of cows. You get rid of the method. We're feeding them with you. Get back to the Omnivore's dilemma guy, Paul on it. He's the one he's right on this subject.

 Richard Jacoby: We're all in this together. So that's number two. Number three, if you fail on everything STEM cells. Now this is what I say about STEM cells. And I'll define that in a second. But this is what I said. And I said it years ago, STEM cells don't give a rat's arse. What you call your itises to my book because they were ubiquitous and STEM cells are really not what the government does not want us to use the word STEM cells and they're right. Even though they invented it or Arnold Caplan and done it, but everybody's used that word. So STEM cell really is the basic building block. That's how we grow. So when you're, and I'll define the embryonic versus non-embryonic, embryonic is not legal in the United States is legal and lots of other countries does have some advantages, but it has some disadvantages, but it's not done here.

 Richard Jacoby: So that is a fetus. And usually from it aborted fetus. So Bush one said No 2000 all research and STEM cells stopped United States. Scientists went everywhere and then they discovered that pre natal tissue that's the tissue of a live birth placenta amnionic fluid, umbilical cord, et cetera, had beneficial tissue in there. And they thought that had STEM cells. Technically when it's processed, there aren't any STEM cells doesn't matter because that's not what works. So one of the best investigators or the earliest one was Neil Riordan and he had a clinic in Dallas. He actually had a clinic here in Tempe, Arizona as well. He went to Costa Rico first. I think they throw him out of there. He landed in Panama. He did a lot of good research. He's using perinatal tissue. I visited with him there. I know very well.

 Wade Lightheart: Can you expalin what is perinatal tissue for our audience?

 Richard Jacoby: Perinatal tissue is the afterbirth of a live birth. So they, when people say the water broke, that's the amniotic fluid. That's where the baby is baked in. And it has all the products of growth and, and secretions, FDA says, you know, that's a drug. That's a big debate on that going on right now. And it's a drug cause as secretions in kind of in effect, big pharma would like to own this space. And they probably will. Right? Because it works and it's safe and it, and, but

 Wade Lightheart: They'll build a synthesize derivative from the actual

 Richard Jacoby: Right. Totally. So is it safe? Absolutely. I've had it done to myself three times, one for a back injury. I played tennis. I tour Achilles tendon and I had a severe shoulder problem. I injected myself. I played tennis. I run, I'm fine. My back is as perfect. So that's why I say STEM cells. Don't give a rat's. What you call your eyes, whether it's radiculopathy of your back or a rotator cuff or Achilles tendon disruption doesn't matter to STEM cells. And they're not STEM cells. The growth factors in those fluids. They're like, say, you're going to build a house. You got 500 workers, you got an electrician, a carpenter or cement guy architect. They all come to the problem and see what's the problem. Well, we got a break here and they go to work and they fix it. That's how it works.

 Richard Jacoby: Way more complicated than that. But simplistically stated they don't give a rat's arse. Now I'll give you the scientific proof for that. Two years ago in China, they did an experiment. They took a rat, they took the psychotic nerve section. The psychotic nerve took it, cut out of it, put a neural tube in injected exosomes, which are a derivative of STEM cells, then nanoparticles and sacrifice these rats on a weekly basis. And they started this to See these little axons, this small little nerve fiber is growing across the gap. Hence STEM cells. Don't give a rat's arse. What you call your itis. That's the scientific proof of that sentence. And it's true.

 Wade Lightheart: So just from that, is it B exosomes which are doing the work or the STEM cells?

 Richard Jacoby: I believe it's the exosomes and they, the scientific terminology for that, which is interesting there, it's called their cargo, their little vesicles.

 Richard Jacoby: So you have an MSC, a Mexicano STEM cells, and they secrete these under the microscope. You can see it, these little bubbles come out of it. And they have a little bubble that's called a vesicle inside that vesicle are these exosomes billions of them. And they work not in the endocrine system, but in the Paracrine system. What is that? That's the fluid that connects all cells throughout your body. And that just goes through there. And basically what they do is they look at every cell and I believe this is how they work. They look at the cell and they measure the electrical potential of that cell. It was too low apoptosis. They kill them they are gone. If it's the cell material can be enhanced. You see a little, pseudopod go out. This is proven into the cell and it brings the cell back to normal.

 Richard Jacoby: So every cell in the body gets the communication from wherever you inject it. And there's some really good studies on the exosomes, but government doesn't like us using exosomes. So in a way, kind of, I'm not sure exactly why not enough research. Yes, that's true. Are they safe? Of course they're safe. They're in our bodies all the time. Every liquid has an exosome micro cargo vesicle, but they carry information. That's really what they are and they're going to go and fix anything. They can't, and I think there's a spectrum. And I talked about it in the book, Sugar Crush, but to a very little detail in my new book, I will. But I think there's a spectrum from inflammation to fibrosis, further art along the line to fibrosis, like what I do at that point, you probably have to do the surgery.

 Richard Jacoby: I put them into five phases, one, two, three, four, five phase one, change your diet, vitamins, all the natural stuff. You're going to be fine. Phase two, a little bit more intense. Maybe you get out a little secret sauce in there versus, you know, simple things. Phase three, you're probably getting into a surgical problem, phase four and you definitely are. And say phase five. I'm not even sure that the surgery is going to work. That's the gangrene phase. And if it's a sudden death, you're dead. So you really need to, he the Clarion sign, change your diet. Why is the government not telling us this? Let's talk about COVID and STEM cells. So in Wuhan they had a couple of people in the ICU, tried everything. They gave him exosomes. Then he walked out of the hospital two days. They don't care what caused it.

 Richard Jacoby: So why is COVID such a pandemic aside from the political portion of it and wasn't weaponized? I don't know. Well, let's say it wasn't as CSS say as a bad dude in town. So I say to my patients, don't be a host. And I mean by that is sugar, in my opinion, bigger than I'll give you my opinion, which is not in the book, but the chemistry is at this hospital, which is right across the street here. We're actually on the same campus, Scottsdale Memorial hospital. I was born because you want to know where I'm at 94% of the patients over there in ICU have diabetes, cardiovascular disease and obesity, 94%.

 Wade Lightheart: This is the part that's not being released to the public is about the co-morbidities that are there. There's racked up as a COVID death. Yes. But what it is is it's a COVID death stacked on already a degenerative condition with serious consequences. That's kind of like the final knockout punch from a Mike Tyson combination. The first two to the body soften them up before the upper cat came and knocked them out.

 Richard Jacoby: Yep. So I say herd immunity kind of fits this whole scenario because it's sugar. So what is the sugar doing well on may 25 in my book, I actually talk about it, but not viruses. I'm just talking about the biochemistry. So if you look at the book, this is Dr. Cooke stuff. Who now is by the way, ironically, is it Baylor? He is head of STEM cell research in the United States and he's working on 10 or 12 vaccines as we speak. Well, yes, I talked to him, John, why aren't we getting this message out? Well, I mean, the money is in the vaccine. Not saying don't eat sugar. I just said it. I didn't get, did you give me a nickel for that?

 Wade Lightheart: You know, it's funny. I was discussing this with a friend of mine today who contacted me recently. And I look Warren Buffet said in his investing book, that one, the things that he had tries to account for every year in his financial analysis of companies is to factor in perverse incentives into his models that lead to, behaviors of individuals and companies, which aren't necessarily in the best interest of society or that company. And he goes every year, I think I've accounted for it appropriately. And at the end of the year, I reassess and realize I have not calculated appropriately for perverse incentives. And we are talking about a worldwide phenomenon where there are government probably mandated or certainly make your life extremely difficult. If you have not been vaccinated with built by companies, which you have no legal recourse of any potential consequences down the road to you or to your family members, you cannot Sue them.

 Wade Lightheart: You cannot have a legal recourse. They are not liable for them for, for those people taking it. And the chances are you're going to have to need more than one shot. And it might end up that we're taking shots every six months, government regulated. And let's say, they're making a hundred bucks a shot. Well, in times that by seven or 8 billion people on the planet, cause it won't get to a lot of people who don't have access in the more rural aspects. Well, now we're talking about trillions of dollars without any legal recourse for anyone. And that is as big a perverse incentives and who do these institutions fund on political candidacy. Some political candidates need to come into power and best requires a lot of money in order to buy the cognitive space and inside people's brains to get involved in whatever narrative or whatever political thing that you need that you believe is going to make society better, whether it's lower taxes or environmentalism

 Wade Lightheart: Or whatever the mathematical yeah. Algorithms has spit out from the data advisers to the political candidate, into the party that would probably get the most amount of votes because it's not about, can we make a better society? It's can we get to power first? And then who do we have to give back? Our kickbacks who, who are part of the funding so that we can get their say in the debates like, well, we got this, we asked, we got so-and-so into the White House, or we got so-and-so into the provincial government or the local government or whatever it happens to be. But when big companies write a check, for some reason they're not doing so because they're being altruistic a political campaign, there there's one political party or some political parties that are advantageous for that corporation. That's the nature of a corporation. So you can stay, take away all this stuff and politicization and all that sort of stuff.

 Wade Lightheart: You just have to follow a logical aspect of human behavior and how our system works and why this doesn't come out to the population. And then you have a whole, maybe our most intelligent driven class, the doctors, the legal teams, the people of Silicon Valley who produce the, how we get the information, what is the correct information and what actions we take on that information. And we silo those into certain groups and do their own tribes so that we can create division amongst them and anybody that steps outside of that and says, Hey, we're not the center of the universe, or they're not the center of the universe now potentially can be burned at the stake as a conspiracy theorists. And in that case, in this world, you are just publicly shamed so that you can not support yourself economically that'd be accurate.

 Richard Jacoby: Oh, you better be careful. You're in Venice. You're in the heart of that whole what should I just say, cabal?

 Wade Lightheart: Yeah, I would say the it's an interesting state. I wrote a book a number of years ago, which caused the rise of the digital Republic. And in today's world, I felt that large digital corporations had exceeded the influence of the traditional,nanny States that we have come to depend on for our life and things like Google and Amazon and Facebook and Netflix and YouTube. I now have more attention units of the population and more influence of the population than our political machines. And therefore they are actually in control and it's less and less by our nation States. Right.

 Richard Jacoby: You have an interesting way how you couch that argument? When I was writing the book, I always wonder why the first caucus was in Iowa. No one really lives there, but that's where the money is. So they all go there to get the check hi Hillary. Good to see again. How much do you need this year? Is that you're a fool. You're not going to get elected one guy by the name of Trump. I don't need your money, Bernie. Yeah. Here's some money, but they buy, they bet on every horse because they're going to win right now under the Farm Bill, which is a trillion dollars, by the way, they don't grow any corn. So how's it. Where's that trillion going well to the political parties, but here's how it gets broken down. And there's a guy that you McGovern George McGovern.

 Wade Lightheart: I do.

 Richard Jacoby: Yeah. And he was starting all this nutrition stuff. And I thought the name was interesting. When you think about it, in retrospect, Mc, governor MC Donald's, it's a numb nut approach to anything. And his name is McGovern. He wanted good nutrition. Well, he really didn't. He was from wheat producing area. They couldn't sell that crap. So he gets in there as I'm going to get involved in nutrition. So they came up with the idea food for peace. That means we couldn't sell it. We get the taxpayer money, we get it. And we send it. One of the places they sent it to was Afghanistan. They were producing a lot of wheat and corn and it killed their economy. Now they're producing poppy seed, you know,

 Wade Lightheart: Right which is now we have an opioid crisis.

 Richard Jacoby: Yeah. Well we have all that data. So the other thing they did was the school lunch program, cheese and all that stuff. They couldn't get away. So they give it to the kids. And number three, they fund the national Institute of health. That's out of the Farm Bill. So those grants are going go to the universities. So that's where the money goes. So somebody bring me water. Thank you. So that's when money goes. So I go to a university and I've done this and I have a great idea. I think to explain all this microbiome and I'll give you the theoretical what I did, but it actually happened by just use some other names. Other university says university, we're like your idea. So why don't you come over and explain it to me? I did several times and wow, that's pretty good. We'll get back to you never did because I used the word glyphosate and that's what I said was the problem. So I never got funded. Well, this particular university is funded by of all people, Monsanto. And I'm in there like an idiot being debriefed by the enemy. That's how they do it. So that's where the money is. It's another government agency. So people argue, you know, private industry, the government, no, it's all big circle. Big farming creates a disease. Big pharma solves the disease and big government facilitates the disease. And here we are. So COVID coat me is my opinion is sugar.

 Richard Jacoby: How does that work? Well, let's look at, I get to see some patients a little bit here.

 Wade Lightheart: Sure. Yeah. Well, yeah. Thank you. This has been such an awesome interview. So I want to be mindful of your time. So if you have to cut it whenever.

 Richard Jacoby: Okay, so this let's get your audience, whatever room they're in. If you're in a room, think of that as a lung cell, okay. You become a lung lung cell with me and I'll take you through this little trip. So you're a lung cell. You're breathing in, you're breathing out, you're producing, taking a carbon dioxide. You want to make some oxygen. That's your job, but you're eating a lot of sugar, sugar molecule competes with vitamin C, vitamin C doesn't get in the cell. Sugar does causes your white cells get in a fight with the sugar cells and it causes inflammation. So now you're at risk. So vitamin C is essential for the conversion of L-arginine to nitric oxide. Let's go back to cooking is molecule asymmetric. Dimethylarginine try to make it simple. You have to visualize this. So that molecule is blocking the conversion of L-arginine to nitric oxide.

 Richard Jacoby: Number one, number two, there's another chemical that facilitates this conversion from LRG name to nitric oxide. And it's got a big word Tetra hydro biopterin we'll call that BH4, BH4 is made up of B6, B12, folic acid, and our good friend, vitamin C, if you don't have vitamin C, you downregulate and you'll convert, not nitric oxide, but pur Oxy nitrite. If you produced nitric produced nitric oxide, you have a lot of oxygen. If you don't, you have peroxy nitrate you, well, your O2 levels will go down and you will die. It's not, as a symptom of getting the lungs. Moving is a function of exchanging the oxygen. And that's why they put a ventilator on to your point $39,000 from Medicare. It doesn't solve the problem STEM cells do. Vitamin D does vitamin C does little zinc does melatonin.

 Richard Jacoby: And if you really have a problem, take some dexamethazone, which they do. Or you can use a convalescent plasma, which is somebody who had the disease and do that. And that works. Should we be backside? And my personal opinion, the answer is no, we should look at not being a host, but I'm not in charge. So everybody's going to get vaccinated probably for the rest of your life. And they're yelling at me. And with that, let's think about the function of sugar and inflammation and fibrosis as you so well described it. It's pervasive. It's insidious. And it's deadly

 Wade Lightheart: Dr. Jacoby, this has been fantastic. Where can people find out more, get your book? And do you do any educational components that people can access?

 Richard Jacoby: I do a lot of podcasts like this. I think we're very educational. It's on Amazon, unless they took it down after my comments today. That's the best way. And if you do get the book, write a comment or email, me all answer it because this is such a huge problem. That's very easily solved.

 Wade Lightheart: One last question, before you go, do you equate sugar from fruits? The same sugar from fruits?

 Richard Jacoby: Yes I do. They do. And they all been changed as well.

 Wade Lightheart: Thank you very much for joining us today. And for all of us listening, that's Dr. Jacoby, his book is called Sugar Crush, an enlightening conversation about the complexity of the human condition and what seems like multitudinous of diseases actually may have a singular cause thank you so much for joining us today. We'll see you again on the awesome health podcast. Hope you enjoy the show. If you did share it like it, smash it or comment about it. We'd love to hear your feedback. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care.

 Richard Jacoby: Thank you.
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