166: The Future of Regenerative Medicine – With Jason Chiriano

This Heart Surgeon Uses Regenerative Biologics for Peak Health!

They say when you only have a hammer – everything looks like a nail. 

This expression doesn’t apply to our guest today. He has a toolbox full of healing modalities that are cutting edge, tested, and, here’s the best part: proven to work! 

First of all, Dr. Jason Chiriano has an extensive resume as a surgeon: President of the Southern California Vascular Surgery Society, and a Fellow in the American College of Surgeons. 

If you need vascular surgery, he’s your man! 

But what makes Dr. Jason so unique is that his resume continues into the exciting field of regenerative biologics (a.k.a. regenerative medicine.)

Buckle up as Dr. Chiriano shares why he started the Vivalife Healing Centers – a destination for those suffering from chronic ailments who cannot find results in the allopathic matrix. Dr. Chiriano’s approach to healing includes powerful, non-invasive regenerative-based treatments, including omniwave sonic therapy, stem cells, brainwave activity, IV therapy, photobiomodulation therapy, sound vibrations, and electromagnetic field therapy. 

If you are suffering from a chronic ailment or want to learn about the compelling field of regenerative biologics, be sure to tune into this episode!   

In this podcast, we cover:

• How Jason’s osteopathic medical schooling laid the foundation for his diverse approach to treatments

• Jason’s Mother: how her health struggles prompted him to begin using regenerative medicine

• What a typical client looks like at Vivalife Healing Center

• The future of regenerative medicine

• Why you need to be your own health advocate and have a mindset that says: “heal thyself” 

• What Dr. Jason does personally to maintain robust health

• The next significant medical breakthroughs

• How long will people be able to live in the future?

The Silent Killer

At one point in the show, Wade asks Dr. Jason this interesting question: how does the medical side of patient care work with biohacking? 

Here is what Dr. Jason said: “I think most diseases are caused by inflammation. It’s the silent killer. Nobody knows their body’s state of inflammation.”

“Look at the western diet. The U.S. diet is all inflammatory. One thing you can do is lower your inflammation by changing your diet.”

“The other side to healing is increasing blood flow and oxygen delivery. For example, if you have an injury in the shoulder, where you’re dealing with cartilage, the patient already has bad blood flow. You need something to augment the blood flow, and you need something to augment the oxygen delivery. Plus, you need to decrease the free radicals in that area and maximize the nutrition in that area.”

“So you combine nutrition with supplements, enzymes, or whatever you need to augment the blood flow through therapy – like Sonic Therapy, PMF, hyperbaric. These treatments augment everything you’re doing through regenerative biologics.”

“Put them all together, and you get a synergistic approach to what happens.” 

What’s the best way to encourage people to take ownership of their health?

Dr. Jason enjoys empowering his patients through education. He prefers offline education vs. using the internet alone because, as he says, “you can find anything on the internet, right?” 

“You have to get people inspired.” 

The best way to empower patients is through results. Dr. Jason says this generation wants to see results. When you get patients involved in their care, and they start seeing results, a doctor can then point out to them, “Oh look, you did this. And look what happened.” 

This is how Vivalife Healing Centers inspire patients. When patients see and feel the results, they get energized and motivated to take care of themselves. 

How refreshing to find a vascular surgeon who is open-minded to treatments outside the allopathic care box. Dr. Jason strives to implement therapies that maintain optimal wellness for patients long after they go under the knife – or even better -they may avoid surgery altogether thanks to regenerative biologics. There are more healing treatments available than you may think. Dive into this episode and see what regenerative medicine can do for you!  

Episode Resources: 

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Podcast episode mentioned by Wade: 156: Using AI to Predict & Prevent Health Issues

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Wade Lightheart:	01:09	Our guest today is Jason Chiriano, he's the president elect of the Southern California vascular surgeon society involved in numerous professional vascular associations, as well as ongoing research projects in regenerative medicine, endovascular, aortic, aneurysm, repair, and limb preservation, pretty heavy stuff going on here. Dr. Gerryanna is a fellow in the American college of surgeons and a registered physician in vascular ultrasound.Interpretation is also a medical director, Dr [inaudible] and the dedicated staff at the Veeva life healing centers are committed to providing you with an exceptional healing experience administered with compassion in personalized protocols, backed by superior knowledge, skill, and professionalism. We strive to implement therapies that will help maintain optimal wellness and quality of life for every body. You'll find out more about [email protected]. Jason, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Well, you know, what's fascinating is I, for whatever reason, I seem to connect with vascular surgeons starting about 13 years ago when my friend Dr.

Wade Lightheart:	02:31	Horseville, sir who was the first guy that put the first stent in the body, became a friend of mine and just saw him recently a great guy. He's 80 now. Wow. And we've we talk a lot about this. I just had a doctor Alejandro younger was in today, another vascular surgeon and here we got another one, so I don't know what's going on with the heart. But welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you for having me. So maybe a little background, because what's interesting here is you have kind of what on the surface would look like two competing fields. You have a traditional allopathic, Western medicine from a surgical perspective, and then you also have this whole regenerative biologics section, which is on more, some people would call it a more holistic healing methodologies using some of the state of their stuff. How did you come to the bringing these two concepts together?

Jason Chiriano:	03:29	Yeah, that's a good question. So, you know, I'm an osteopath by training. So in general, I already had a bent towards holistic medicine. So, you know, through our training, we got the whole chiropractor training. We got alternative medicine, you know, even we had some courses on herbology. And so I always had that as I went through medical school, there was only one thing I knew that I did not want to be a surgeon. So through my medical school training, I ended up my third year rotation out at San Marino county hospital. I did a surgical rotation and I just fell in love because I loved the fact that I could cure people with a knife and, you know, they went home, I saw instant improvements. And so that really caught my eye. So as I went through my training, you know, I started my residency in 2002 and then ended up five years of general surgery, two years of vascular surgery up through 2009.
Jason Chiriano:	04:17	So I ended up in a field that deals with really end stage disease. And now I've been doing that for over 10 years. And what I found throughout my career so far is that, you know, the fact that I'm dealing with this end stage disease, there was something that was like, well, can we do something different about this? Why are these patients getting to this point to begin with? And it really started to be very unsettling with me when I was, you know, doing amputations on people with diabetes. Do you know the smokers that people with high cholesterol? So I started doing more research into this and, you know, I started looking at the geopolitical view of medicine and how medicine is practicing United States. And I really got a bit disgruntled with how medicine was being practiced and what I, what I feel that Western medicine is doing.

Jason Chiriano:	04:58	And, you know, particularly with big pharma is that they're really keeping people sick and they're not focusing on wellness and there's, you know, agendas that we don't need to go into on this podcast, but, you know, so I deal with the very end stage of this. And so I started thinking, well, maybe I can help people not get to this point. And so I kind of had to change my philosophy on how I was looking at patients. And so that's how I came to be involved in, you know, more regenerative, more wellness biohacking, and that kind of thing to see if I could help patients in a different way.

Wade Lightheart:	05:31	How, how do you see like in that evolution? Because I think there's a lot of medical doctors who I've friends and stuff who were, who came into practice a noble cause and to help people who are not able to help themselves or don't have the knowledge or capabilities or understanding. And yet what's that like finding yourself caught in a system, which is oftentimes handcuffing the professional, do their actual job. Well, did that, was that part of what led you to it or is it just simple? Like, man, we've got to stop so many people getting to the end stage. First, many of these conditions are preventative.

Jason Chiriano:	06:09	Yeah. I think it was more on that end of things for me. You know, because like I said, for my field, most, everything I deal with is one disease process and it's atherosclerosis. And so all of that atherosclerosis affects the blood vessels to the intestine, the aorta, the strokes, heart attacks, everything. So it's really preventable. I mean, there's some genetics that are involved obviously, but a lot of it's lifestyle, a lot of it's diet, a lot of it's, you know, what your choices you're making along the way and not allowing your body to be in an optimal state to heal. So that's where it was for me. You know,

Wade Lightheart:	06:47	One of my friends we mentioned really Dr. [inaudible] Had told me that one of the most remarkable things that he found is being a surgeon. He says, I'm essentially doing a strategic damage to the body in order to remove the most inflammatory piece or so something that's been damaged. Right. And he goes, but then I come back you know, to check in on the patients. And I, and, and I literally witnessed this healing process that happens in the person heals from the damage of the original damage and then whatever I've done, he said, and it was a remarkable process. Would you say that regenerative biologics is, I would say the amplification of the body's capacity to recover or to heal?
Jason Chiriano:	07:33	Oh, absolutely. So that's an interesting point because I look at, I probably operate on the sickest. The, I operate on patients that should not be operated on wow. Point blank. Like these are not the patients that you want to be putting under general anesthesia. These are not the patients you want to be creating an inflammatory state where, you know, you're forcing their bodies to heal because they already have such a low physiologic reserve. So it's remarkable to me is, like you said, is that these patients actually do heal even in that state. So the human body is just amazing and its capabilities to heal even in a very degenerated state. So you add something like a regenerative biologic to that. Now you get the para crine effects, you get the actual direct regeneration or repair of the, of the tissue, you know, enhance why these regenerative biologics and it absolutely amplifies in, I think there's be a huge role for this in post-surgical states. You know,

Wade Lightheart:	08:23	What was the, what was the thing that made you jump maybe, or, or dive into this whole regenerative world coming from your present? Was there a moment, was there a thing, was there an impetus, was there a person, was there something that set you into, was it experimentation? Yeah,
Jason Chiriano:	08:40	So that's a good question. So my mom who recently passed but she was very sick, a lot. She heavy smoker. She had a lot of health issues and she was going doctor to doctor, to doctor and she really wasn't getting good help. She a broken hip, she underwent surgery. She had chronic pain, chronic, chronic pain for a long time. Now nobody could treat her. She went to several different doctors. All they want to do is remove the hardware. You know, they weren't focusing on any physical rehabilitation. Maybe let's look at your lifestyle, let's do this and that. So she just stayed sick. So our family friend, Phil, who has now become my business partner and, you know, we started talking and that was kind of the moment for me where I was like, huh, like maybe there's something we could do for her.

Jason Chiriano:	09:24	So she was actually one of my first patients and I actually did stem cell therapy and she had a horrible neuropathy, horrible, horrible neuropathy. And I injected a bio biologics to her. And she was unable to walk up and down the stairs within two weeks after doing that, she was walking up and down the stairs. So that was kind of the moment for me. We were like, wow, like there's something, there's something to this. Right. You know, after years of her suffering and I just treated with this and in two weeks, she's remarkably better. How do you explain that? You know, and I've seen it over and over and over again now, you know, with patients that have had chronic debilitating issues that you do one or two treatments of something and all of a sudden they're a lot better, you know? So that's kind of where my mindset switched.

Wade Lightheart:	10:10	That's pretty cool. Now, when you're, who's the type of patient that's coming to your clinics and what is the gender accompany cause I'm, is that different than kind of like the end life person versus the house. So can you kind of classify that shift, maybe that's been happening in your

Jason Chiriano:	10:27	Yeah. These, these are patients that have chronic conditions. They've seen doctors after doctor, after doctor, they're not getting better, you know, they're, they're searching for something that's going to enhance their life, help their body heal, you know, something they're kind of at their end of their rope, you know, and that's kind of where we kind of step in and say, well, let's try something different. You know? And I think that's something unique about our centers that we're actually combining a lot of the biohacking with regenerative biologics. And so it's just like anything else, you look at it you look at a disease like aids it's not one drug you treat aids with. It's a combination of things, right? It's, it's something where you're, you're looking for benefit. And then you're combining modalities to try to maximize the body's ability to heal whether that be through Nutrogenomix or, you know, hyperbaric oxygen, which is a whole another topic we can talk about. And then combining that with biologics, you know, so you get that optimal effect of everything, like the sum of the parts, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, right? So that's what I really like about what we're doing.

Wade Lightheart:	11:31	So when someone comes into your clinic, what is the process that they would undergo to determine what might be the best approach in order to do this? Because there's so much stuff on the internet and variance in degrees of quality and expertise and, and strategy that's being implemented. Right. How do you determine the right regenerative strategy for someone when they come into you?
Jason Chiriano:	12:00	Yeah, so I do a full medical consultation for them which I think, you know, being a Western or traditionally trained medical doctor, I do have a lot of experience with, at listing. I think I have a good 360 view of the body. So I do a full medical consultation. I have them bring in all their medical records. I bring in their imagings, everything. So I do a full, comprehensive evaluation. Oftentimes they'll come in for one thing and I'll find something else, you know? And so but it's a tailored approach, you know, I don't put any patient in a box. We just meet, you know, we, we try to meet what they need at that time. So there's no specific algorithm that I do. Every patient gets a tailored treatment approach to what I feel that they need. So that's,

Jason Chiriano:	12:46	Yeah, I know, I know there is a lot of uproar. I think when the two administrations ago they started centralizing the treatments for doctors when dealing with patients is that you kind of send your stuff into Washington and outcomes, the algorithm based on the age and all that. And it's like, it takes all of your personalized training, just eliminates this for a digital thing, which they're probably related to, well, what's the tax value of this person, you know, versus what, what that person might actually need. I mean,

Jason Chiriano:	13:19	I worked for a government agency. I mean, I worked for the VA for a long time, so there's a lot of that protocol and process and protocol and everything it's, you know, kind of put into a box of, you know, what's most efficient how, but it's not tailored to each specific patient, you know? So I think it's really important for, you know, nobody's the same, you know, nobody's the same.
Wade Lightheart:	13:38	How would you classify the different, what would fall under the category of regenerative biology, biologics? Like what are all the categories that are potential out there? And you don't have to say that, which ones that you're using or whatever, but what would fall under that category? Cause it's a very cool sounding name that people might say, what is that? Right. Right.
Jason Chiriano:	13:57	Well, I mean, there's the, so if you want to talk about the future of regenerative medicine, we can talk about what there is now and what there could be coming. Oh,

Wade Lightheart:	14:04	Great.
Jason Chiriano:	14:04	So, you know, right now we have pretty much stem cells, which you can get from several different ways. You can actually harvest it from the, you know, the patient's own body or you get it from umbilical cord blood, which is probably a better way to get it. And those are pluripotent cells. They have direct effects as well as indirect effects. They stick around in the body for, you know, several weeks, but they also have what's called para crine effects. So they enhance the body's own ability to recruit growth factors and, you know repair tissue. And then there's things like PRP, which is platelet rich plasma. So that's where you draw blood out of a patient, spend down the platelets and then inject it back in. I would say that gene therapy, you know, the way it's now would be considered a regenerative biologic as well. But if you look at what's going to be happening in the future, I mean, when you're talking about scaffolding of Oregon's, you know, keratin uses a scaffolding and then using induced pluripotent cells to, you know, manufacture Oregon's. I mean, those are things way in the future, but these are, these are the types of regenerative biologics we're talking about now,

Wade Lightheart:	15:12	Where would you classify say things like exosomes, NAD, fast vites these kinds of things which are permeating the biohacking. I was just out in Arizona and I got shot up with some NAD and some, some fast lights and it's exhausting. You know what I mean? You feel amazing relatively
Jason Chiriano:	15:34	Very quickly. So especially specifically exosomes exosomes have been signaling stick signaling molecules. So they work pretty similar to stem cells. And a lot of the research out there showing that, you know, they work almost as good as stem cells. And the good thing for the public is that they're much cheaper than stem cells, right? So on a more affordable level of getting good efficacy, you know, they would also be classified into the whole regenerative biologics as well. So, and you can inject these either Ivy or you can inject them locally, depending on what you need them for

Wade Lightheart:	16:05	Now, how does those things cause you know, I'm talking about the synergistic effect, your rule ruled in is like, okay, so now, you know, let's say I got a bum shoulder would come in, we take a look at it, you go, okay. We're going to walk you through this process. Let's do an evaluation. And medical evaluation is their damages, their MRI, all that sort of stuff. And then we said, okay, we're going to do stem cells, some exosomes, we're going to put you in a hyperbaric chamber. Like how does that combination kind of emerge is, is like, what I'm specifically trying to get at is how does the medical side of things work with the bio hacking side? Right?

Jason Chiriano:	16:47	So for me, so a couple things I think does most diseases inflammatory, correct? Silent killer, silent killer, and nobody knows their inflammatory state and you deal a lot with diet nutrition, you know, and you know that the United States diet is all inflammatory, right? The Western diets all inflammatory, right? So, you know, if you can take down the inflammatory state either through diet nutrition and then the other thing you need for healing aside from decreasing the inflammation is that you need blood flow, you need oxygen delivery. So a lot of injury in areas like the shoulder, when you're dealing with cartilage and things like that, they already inherently have bad blood flow. So if you're injecting stem cells into that area, it's great, but you need something to augment the blood flow. You need something to augment that oxygen delivery. Do you need something to decrease the free radicals in that area? You need something to maximize the nutrition in that area. So you combine their nutrition with with supplements or, you know, enzymes or whatever you augment the blood flow through therapy, such as Sonic therapy, PMF, hyperbaric, and that augments everything that you're doing with the regenerative biologics. So you put that all together and you get a very synergistic approach to

Wade Lightheart:	18:01	What happens. What are some of the common biohacking technologies that you feel accelerate, accelerate, or amplify the regenerative biologics?

Jason Chiriano:	18:10	Yeah. So I think, you know I think that there's a lot of the cognitive therapy that actually works. If you can get patients in their bodies into a relaxed state that will optimize their ability to heal. So things like brain tap, things like and I would even consider PMF to be, you know, a biohacking sort of thing. But anything that can get the body into a relaxed state there's phototherapy, I don't know if you've heard of life wave or not, but these you know, phototherapy patches, the body emits infrared light, you know, you get that wavelengths absorbed readmitted into the body. It can actually trigger the nervous system in the brain to enter a state that you can actually harness the energy of the body to heal in that area as well. So I think there's definitely, you know, those types of bio hackings that are great, but I really think if you see a lot of the psychology and biohacking is really, really important and getting in touch with where your frequencies are aware where your brain waves are and getting those into relaxed states while you're healing will improve your healing as

Wade Lightheart:	19:11	Is that because of the, you know, you know, sympathetic, parasympathetic switch kind of that gets flipped and went, that's a big requirement. People are kind of,

Jason Chiriano:	19:22	So if you're in that sympathetic fight or flight all the time, you know, your cortisol levels up, we know that cortisol isn't, you know, even though it's, anti-inflammatory, it's also anti healing. So steroids, you know, really prevent healing. Cortisol is a steroid. So anytime you're in that fight or flight, you know, your heart rates up, your stress levels are up. You're not going to heal that as well. So you got to, you know, through either meditation or, or biohacking that puts you into a meditative state, it's going to help, you know, with your healing as well.

Wade Lightheart:	19:49	So when you come up with this combo, so someone goes, so I guess in some cases, are you actually doing surgery in the situation and then doing some of the other?
Jason Chiriano:	20:00	So I don't combine the two because, you know, although in the future I may, because, you know, but I'm kind of trying to keep them separate right now because it's a different type of patient that I'm dealing with

Wade Lightheart:	20:12	Regulatory. It must be

Jason Chiriano:	20:15	Regulatory, you know, nothing is covered by insurance. What do we do on that side? Whereas there's no way that patients can pay cash for surgery, obviously. So I have to take insurance on that side. So, you know, it's just best right now that I keep it a little bit separate, but
Wade Lightheart:	20:31	Yeah, that totally makes sense. Now let's talk about specifically your clinics, where you're located, what are some of the things that you're doing at the clinic that, you know, you can kind of be as vague, but kind of explaining maybe the process.

Jason Chiriano:	20:45	Yeah. So we're in Rancho Cucamonga we're right off the two, 10 freeway out there Viva life healing centers. Yeah, so we're doing regenerative biologics, we're doing biohacking, we're doing hydration. We're doing Nutrogenomix so sampling DNA and then creating compounds that will be specific for a specific patient's DNA because when it comes down to supplements, you know, a lot of times you don't know what an individual patient needs or how their body's gonna absorb a certain combination. A lot of patients go to GNC and they just get this supplement and that separator and this and that, and just combine them and they're spending seven, $800 a month and you're just hoping to get a benefit. And I'm, I, you know, you're in the business of that. So, you know, you know, so if you can make something that's more customized to a patient, you know?

Wade Lightheart:	21:38	Yeah. I know one of our we have a research center in Croatia where we have a partnership with a university over there and we send in our products and do all sorts of hermetic stresses. And we'd just, we also got a genetic engineer expert on artificial intelligence microbiome specialist specialist in neurophysiology, just coming on board and a specialist in neurochemistry. And then now another one is a docking agent. Someone who can actually determine the combinations or specifics of extracts and how they dock on the cells. And so we're putting all the geniuses in the lab and then we can run the test. We just bought a new test, a HPLC machines that we can actually take apart. See, what's getting as they are, what's being utilized, what's not getting along. And then marrying that over genetics and epigenetics, which I think is going to be the future of delivery sciences. Every person will have super customized. And right now that's mostly accessible to elite VIP, who folks who have the disposable income, but the second, but what we learned from that, or what we get from the generalized stuff, as we can make nutritional supplements on a wide scale, on a bigger scale, they're still premium priced, but they're far more effective than your typical product. And I do believe that total customization is where
Jason Chiriano:	23:02	The future has to be. It has to be, I mean, you can't put any everybody in a box. No. You know, so I think one of the big problems we're going to face. So in the future with all of this is just regulation, you know, it's going to be a problem. What is your job

Wade Lightheart:	23:16	Experience? So let's talk about that because I'm feel that for, for the great part of the history of this country, United States, which I am essentially a resonant of an immigrant, if you will. What I love about the American spirit is it's always, what's in, it's unique amongst the world. It's a can-do attitude. Let's do this. We can build something new we can do. What's not been done before. We're excited about the challenge yet, somehow over the couple of decades and particularly accelerated in this last one, there is this super regulatory and limitation seems to be going into every aspect of sight, whether it's vaccinations, whether it is the legalities of regenerative biology biologics, whether it is who gets access to what it, what is it like as a someone who's inside that regulatory field and it just keeps piling on and piling on and stifling development. What's your feelings about that? Are we going to be able to make gains to kind of reverse this trend

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Jason Chiriano:	25:27	Well, I guess it is so there's a couple of forces at play. So you have a division which is inherently, you know, really difficult to transcend. So you have the physicians and then you have pharma and the FDA physicians are not allowed to unionize. We have no lobbying power really as physicians. There's, it's very hard to, for physicians to unite together and, and create a stand against some of the stuff that happens. The other thing is, is that the public is fed a certain amount of knowledge and we don't know

Wade Lightheart:	26:05	[Inaudible]
Jason Chiriano:	26:06	Well, the public has given whatever propaganda, you know, and it's, it's very limited, you know, so you, you look at something like COVID I was just listening to a testimony from the Senator from Texas. And he was talking about how, if you look at all of the debt, all of the information that's out there on the internet, there's no information about COVID treatment. And once, so everybody thinks this is an untreatable disease. And what he was saying is it's not an untreatable disease, but the problem is the public doesn't know what to do. There's nothing, there's no information about what to do once you're diagnosed with COVID, you're said, you're diagnosed with COVID now go home. And then these patients end up in the hospital. And now since the vaccine came up, any information about treatment is scrubbed. And so all you hear about is vaccines. So

Wade Lightheart:	26:55	Right, unless you're listening to what's called the intellectual dark web, but guys like, you know, I'm Brett Weinstein an evolutionary biologist, who's getting the creme de LA creme of the intellectual virology, but this is not he's being squelched on various platforms because he's like, Hey, there's prophylactics, there's nutritional therapies. There's other things that could be used very cost-effectively in the country. And when you, and he's not a hair on fire kind of guy and him and his wife, Heather walked through the science impartially, the, the stunning outcome that comes out of it is, is that it seems that the government is actually accelerating the problem as opposed to solving the problem. Like the more intervention they seem to want to regulate or control or manipulate, the more stifling they become to the real solutions to the problem.

Jason Chiriano:	27:51	Absolutely. And so then you, we see the same thing on the regenerative biologics. So what incentive is there on a big pharma standpoint for regenerative biologics, if they don't control it?

Wade Lightheart:	28:02	Right. So the question comes like, how do we as citizens? And, you know, I did a recent podcast recently and I said, Hey, look where the government, and these are our representatives. It's not the other way around, it's bottom up in this country, but why, how do we as citizens take action to reclaim the innovative spirit that has made this country so great for so long?

Jason Chiriano:	28:27	That's a good question. I mean, of course you can appeal to your local representatives, but I really think it's just appealing to your local physicians. It's appealing to what's out there and speaking out, I think you have to be your own advocate really. I mean, I, you know, you have to be seeking out your treatments. You have to be a free thinker. You have to be, you know coming to our clinic, coming to, you know, to people like yourself that are going to be more involved in that kind of thing. But, you know, it's going to take a lot of banding together and then, you know, appealing to local government to try to even get a place where you could actually have a platform to appeal to higher ups, right. To even get to that level. It's going to take, you know, a lot of banding together for that, but, you know, there's a 36% increase in the demand for Regeneron biologics every year. So at some point there's going to be a tipping point where people are going to say we've had enough of this, you know, and that is a good thing about America, enough people come together, some something will change, but there's going to be a lot of pushback when you have billions of billions of dollars hooked up into big pharma,

Wade Lightheart:	29:31	Right. Which also contribute to political camp rights, right. Set policy, and also set, it sets a regulation to the two opposing institutions, which having been in the nutritional supplement industry and coming out of Canada, a highly regulated environment. And each year they keep trying to just move the stakes more and more towards taking the power of regeneration out of the hands of the people and putting the, the pharmaceutical intervention modalities, which don't solve problems. They treat symptoms and that's right out of the new England journal of medicine. We don't treat diseases. We treat the symptoms of diseases. Band-Aids

Jason Chiriano:	30:16	Yes. Right. So you, I mean, you look at people on four or five different medications, it's all band-aids right. And they may feel better, but you're not treating the underlying problem.

Wade Lightheart:	30:25	Just pulling the fuses on the red lights in the car. Exactly. So, yeah. Got your clinics. What do you feel like your guys are, what's your mission and where are you driving towards on this whole process?

Jason Chiriano:	30:38	So our mission is actually to create a state in everybody that they can heal themselves. You know, we don't want to treat people over and over and over again. We want to get them into a state and have them not only be able to heal themselves, but also have a mindset that after they leave our clinic and they're done with our treatment, that they have a new philosophy on their own health. So we want them, we want them to have a kind of an epiphany moment that they need to have their own, be their own advocate for their lifestyle. You know, we can, we can heal them to a certain point, but we do a lot of counseling as well, and, you know changing their mindsets about their own health. So 

Wade Lightheart:	31:16	What do you see as the future? Like if you can fast forward to say 10, 20, even 50 years, what do you feel is the future of this industry and how that might impact humanity at large? What do you, what do you imagine?

Jason Chiriano:	31:34	I would hope that the way things are going right now, I think that the public is at an all time high of wanting something different, especially through the pandemic. So I would think that over time that as people are more open-minded about, you know, the disadvantages of Western medicine, that there will be a shift of how we deliver healthcare. And I'm hoping actually it would be a hybrid. I'm not saying there's not a place for Western medicine. There clearly is, you know and I'm not saying we need to get rid of surgery or get rid of acute care. Acute care is very important and America has one of the best healthcare systems in the world, but, you know, there has to be this shift towards wellness. And I think that there is a momentum for that, especially through the pandemic. I think the pandemic was a huge wake up call for a lot of people on their health.

Jason Chiriano:	32:21	So I would say in 20, 30 years of the things continue going the way they are. I think number one, hopefully it will be more accepted in mainstream. The knowledge that's out there, the research studies that will be done will make it maybe more of a platform that third-party payers will pay for it. Because I think if you have enough research out there, it's hard to deny benefit the problem with a lot of the biohacking right now. And a lot of that, it's not quantifiable, right? And so when you're looking at science, you know, and you're looking at FDA, you're looking at regulation, you need quantifiable results. Now we're moving in that direction. I mean, there scans that you do after brain tap and things like that, that shows the changes in the brain, but there needs to be more white papers out there. There needs to be more scientific studies that show the benefit of the benefits clear. It just needs to be documented.

Wade Lightheart:	33:07	That's one of the things that we're working on at our university partnership and in Croatia, because unfortunately we have to go outside of north America to get value on the dollars invested. Cause right now it's highly cost impactful by setting up what I can do in a externalize university setting. I can, I can get a fraction of the price, same quality, same, you know, intelligence, horsepower, and structure at a fraction of the cost. And that alarms me from the standpoint is like, what, what, what, what is our best and brightest doing? You know? So

Jason Chiriano:	33:50	The United States is notoriously difficult to get research studies done. Yes. I was in academics for a long time. I mean, going through the IRB and getting everything institutional review board, everything, it's very difficult. It's very regulated, you know? So there's only a certain amount of studies that even ever get done. So a lot of the studies that come out or come out of Europe, they come out of other countries, like you're saying, because it's easier to get the studies done in those countries. And some of the like top therapies that come out of Europe first, and then we adopt in the United States. So I think you're doing the right thing. I think you're gonna get more benefit, you know, doing it out of Croatia. But my point in that is that, you know, maybe it's going to take those types of studies over time, you know, that the knowledge base that what's out there as far as research to justify what we're doing in the biohacking word world and the regenerative world to, to make that paradigm shift and make it legitimate in the, in the institutions eyes.

Wade Lightheart:	34:43	So as a medical doctor and the director here of a regenerative clinic, what's a day in your life look like from both a professional level, but also like what are the things that you do in order to maintain robust health?

Jason Chiriano:	34:58	Oh, so, well, I, so that was one thing. So going through residency and everything, you know, I was working 140, 140 hours a week. There's only 168 hours in a week. So you know, I'm a big advocate of physician burnout treating physician burnout because I was a victim of physician burnout depressed no energy kind of lost my passion for what I was doing. And it's funny because, you know, as doctors, we're always telling people what to do, but we're not taking care of ourselves. Right. And the, and the institution just doesn't want us to, especially in surgery. I remember passing out on the operating room table and during a surgery when I was a resident and just getting woken up and say, come on, keep going. You know, so wow,

Wade Lightheart:	35:47	By the end of my mind.
Jason Chiriano:	35:51	So by the end of my residency, they had instituted an 80 hour work rule. So you could only work 80 hours a week, only work 80 hours a day, what a joke. Right. So that was their attempt at it, you know, at restoring health and physicians. But, you know, w when you look at depression rates, it's physician suicides at an all time high vascular surgeons actually have the highest suicide rate of any subspecialty in medicine. And so there's all this new recognition of physician burnout. So, you know, what I try to do is I try to at least get a good night's sleep. You know, I try to eat as best I can exercise when I can. So those are the things that I'm doing. I'm doing my own biohacking. I use the brain tab. I, you know so I can be better at it, but I'm still making that transition between the surgical world in my world of regenerative medicine. So I still do have a surgeon's lifestyle, which is sometimes not the best on,

Wade Lightheart:	36:50	Because it gets the gunshot wound or the car accident doesn't happen in noon on Tuesday. It happens at Saturday night. 1:00 AM.

Jason Chiriano:	36:59	Yeah. You never know when it's going to happen. You never know when the patient with a ruptured aneurysm is going to come in. So, you know, my sleep patterns are disrupted quite a bit, you know, taking the calls in the middle of the night, you know, so, but for me, it's been a huge journey on, on self care and I'm still in the middle of it taking, you know, it's like it's like a recovery program from what I did in residency and how it just becomes. So it's almost like you're institutionalized, you know, and your lifestyle as a surgeon. And so breaking out of that is very difficult.

Wade Lightheart:	37:27	Do you think that regenerative biologics is, is, is going to be hopeful that we can lead the way, or is it, or is the regulations going to push it out of the country into jurisdictions, which become more friendly because we're now seeing, you know, medical tourism that has came up in Southeast Asia, in India, even people going across the border for dental surgery down to Mexico and stuff is, do you see this starting to happen? And what is the impact for the American citizen?
Jason Chiriano:	38:00	Yeah. So, I mean, if the, so it all depends on how the FDA regulation goes, because, you know, as of recently there was a moratorium put on biologics. And so people have been going down across the border to do that more often. So, but I'm still hopeful. I think that over time, if we get the research done, if, you know, if there's a public demand, I think that the United States, I I'm hopeful that actually it will become a more mainstream therapy, you know, I can see that happening.

Wade Lightheart:	38:27	Well, I think it's largely in part being driven by the the performance of athletes, like, you know, LeBron and Tom Brady who have, who are essentially combining state-of-the-art regenerative, biologic biology in combination with biohacking dietary analysis, which was formerly just training and methodologies and nutrition, maybe now we've got the whole suite. And when we're seeing these athletes perform at levels at ages that weren't before, I think that inspires the population to drive demand on a, on a big level. Would you agree

Jason Chiriano:	39:04	With that? I would totally agree with that. Yeah,

Wade Lightheart:	39:06	Absolutely. Where do you think the, the next big breakthroughs are going to be, but we have like David Sinclair talking about, you know, treating aging as in death, as a disease. Right. Do you see like aware, does regenerative biology fit within say longevity expansion, or like, how do you do, do they fit together or are they somewhat separate in their,

Jason Chiriano:	39:34	I think they fit together. I mean, if you look, you look at some of the anti-aging properties of stem cells. I mean, people are already using it for anti-aging. But I think also, you know, some of the regenerative biologics, when you're talking about induced pluripotent cells, IPS IPCs cancer therapy, right? So there's actually some research being done of, of inducing radiated cancer cells into the body. And it's all immunotherapy. So if we can do gene therapy, immunotherapy to treat diseases like that, you know, not only will you treat cancer, but we can also do gene therapy for anti-aging, you know, and then combine that with stem cells. So there's a lot of that. I think the anti-aging is a huge future benefit of regenerative biologics. It just determined, it's determined by how you can administer them.

Wade Lightheart:	40:26	Do you think there's a limitation to how old one can live healthily they'd like, or do you see that expanding into the future? Of course there's limitations to almost everything, but do you imagine, like people will be living to 150 years old in a couple of hundred years there?

Jason Chiriano:	40:43	That's a good question. I don't know. I don't know, to be honest with you, and I'm a little concerned about that. I mean, if you look at the impact on eco ecology, I mean, what happens to the food supply? What happens to, you know, overpopulation? How will that change the planet? I mean, if you have that many people living for that long, you know I don't think it's impossible.

Wade Lightheart:	41:05	There's some fascinating. Yeah, there's some fascinating because we're in this common element and there's this one movement about environmental ism and, and then, you know, there's climate change and that sort of concept. And then we have now a worldwide pandemic and we have these, what I call evolutionary pressures, which would indicate to me that they're driving humanity to a new level of growth. What do you think about I had, I had a lady on here the other day, that's using artificial intelligence S continuous glucose monitors and heart rate variability, and that they're able to predict your blood sugar response, 33 hours ahead of before you eat, where do you see tech say wearable usable injectables that whatever being as a part of this, or do you think there are some moral and ethical components that we haven't crossed in regards to that? Like,

Jason Chiriano:	42:10	No. I mean, I think a lot of that stuff's already being done. And like you mentioned, the heart rate variability is, you know, all of the, the glucose monitoring. I, you know, I think, I don't think there's any moral or ethical problems with that. You know, I think if you can get more real-time information about your health and make real time changes based on the information that you're getting. That's, I think that's invaluable, you know, so I think as tech evolves, we're going to be able to monitor ourselves a little bit better. And I think that also puts the patient's health in their own hands. It makes them accountable for what they're seeing and

Wade Lightheart:	42:42	How you bring them thinking. One of the things that I advocate for, with our clients and for our business peoples there's recognize, be the director of your own health. And in other words, here's your GP, here's your chiropractor, here's your regenerative medicine specialists. Here's your, indoctrine all this, here's your naturopath. Here's your, your team of advisors who work for you in order to give you a more rounded decision possibility tree and say, just by going to UTP and that's it how do, would you say is the best way to encourage the population to take ownership of their health, as opposed to just whatever.

Jason Chiriano:	43:30	I think it's education. And I think it's accessibility to information, you know, aside not talking about the internet, I'm talking about real education, you know, cause you can find anything on the internet, right. But you have to get people inspired and they have to see, I think, especially this generation, they want to see results, right? So if you can get patients involved in their care and they start seeing results and you say, oh, look, you did this. And look what happened. You know, you, you inspire them. You make them want to make those changes because they can see it. They can feel it. You know,

Wade Lightheart:	44:04	That was one of the things that I discovered when I was a personal trainer years ago is I love getting people into the point where they went from disempowered to empowered,
Jason Chiriano:	44:13	You know? And so I think you're right. I think all those are the spokes. The patient needs to be the center. It should be patient centered care, not physician centered care. Right. Right. So if you make it patient centered care, they feel empowered. They feel like they have a responsibility to themselves. You're like their coach, like you said, you know, they, they will do it. You know,

Wade Lightheart:	44:32	Jason where do people find you, where's your clinics and how do they come into one of your places and find out everything that you can do to help them become a regenerative person.
Jason Chiriano:	44:45	So we're at Viva life healing centers or in Rancho Cucamonga at the corner of a baseline. And Cornelian now you can find [email protected] life.health, I'm sorry, Viva, viva.life. We change it. Www.Veeva.Life. and you can call it, there's a way to make an appointment on the website and we'll be happy to see any time.

Wade Lightheart:	45:06	Well, this has been a great interview and it's been very informative. Thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it. Alright. Thank you.

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