No one escapes the cancer conversation.
Everyone gets touched by cancer at some point. The latest statistics say 1 out of every 2 of us will experience cancer either directly or through a loved one diagnosed with cancer.
The word “cancer” brings immediate fear to people. Some don’t even want to speak the word and say “the c-word” or “the big-c” instead.
Our guest Cathy Biase knows firsthand the fears people struggle through when they get a cancer diagnosis, go through allopathic treatments, and then return to their previous life once it’s over. Cathy has been through this herself, but she is also a Certified Professional Cancer Coach. She specializes in the functional application of nutrition to get to the root cause of health issues whenever possible to improve chronic disease. Cathy focuses primarily on helping people going through cancer care. Her goal is to optimize her client’s ability to heal and recover.
Many of Cathy’s clients who are doing chemotherapy ask her if the chemo is working because they report that they don’t feel that bad. This is precisely what Cathy loves to hear because it captures what her mission is all about – helping people reduce their fears and getting through allopathic cancer treatments feeling better than expected.
Cathy is the host of a radio show called The Health Hub that is also available as a podcast, where she and her guests talk about integrative health. Cathy also teaches at the Canadian School of Natural Nutrition.
Cathy educates people on nutritional support for cancer patients, managing side effects of allopathic cancer care, and the Microbiome’s link to health and immunity.
In this podcast, we cover:
- How Cathy helps people psychologically move through the various stages from diagnoses to healing
- The importance of the microbiome for cancer recovery
- Cathy’s “low stress” approach to nutrition and food prep for cancer patients
- The role of exercise in a cancer patient’s recovery
- Cathy’s approach to detoxification, particularly the liver as preparation for chemotherapy
- More on Cathy’s science-based approach to “stacking the deck your favor” before, during, and after cancer treatment
The diagnosis that shaped her destiny
Cathy spent the early years of her career working in business, including a small family business. Soon after that business was closed down, Cathy noticed a lump in her breast.
She was quickly diagnosed with breast cancer.
When Cathy went to her gym to tell them she would be pulling back her membership — something profound occurred: three people she knew at this gym strongly encouraged her not to give up exercise – despite the doctors’ advice to cut out her activity.
Her friends said, “you are not going to do that. We need you to exercise. We want you to take these supplements.” Suddenly, Cathy had three people working with her in three different areas. This coaching made a significant impact on her, as her cancer treatments went incredibly well.
Cathy noticed that many others who were getting chemotherapy along with her did not have as smooth of an experience. One lady ended up in the hospital, which prompted Cathy to analyze why her treatment went better than others.
Cathy went back to school and earned a certification with the national association of professional cancer coaches.
Her new journey to helping other people deal with cancer was underway.
What does Cathy, the nutritionist, recommend for a cancer patient’s diet?
Cathy understands that each person is unique and has unique needs. So she starts there.
The foundation of her nutritional approach to cancer care is the microbiome. She helps educate her clients on what the microbiome is, how it affects your health, and how to take care of it. The microbiome is something doctors still are not attending to, and many are not any more knowledgeable about it than most laypeople.
Cathy also gets her clients to increase their fiber intake, begin eating (or increase) the intake of fermented foods and add more color into their diet. She also likes to add probiotics if possible. Be sure to discuss these factors between the patient and their doctor before implementation.
The proper time to eat is also a part of Cathy’s coaching. She also talks with each client about body cycles and circadian rhythms.
There is so much more to Cathy’s cancer coaching – you need to listen to this episode to get all the nuggets of wisdom she brings to this topic. If you know someone facing a cancer diagnosis, please share this podcast episode with them. Cathy makes a difference in the lives of those she serves.
Cathy also has a ton of tips on ways you can “stack the deck” in your favor to avoid a cancer diagnosis. Be sure to tune it. Wade asks all the right questions, and this conversation is quite encouraging despite the “scary” topic!
Check out this episode – cancer coaching could save the life of someone you love.
Read The Episode Transcript:
Wade Lightheart:Good morning. Good afternoon and good evening. It's Wade T Lightheart from BiOptimizers with another edition of the Awesome Health Podcast and today we have a very special guest. We're going to talk about the integrative cancer care, including the integrative cancer nutrition method. And I have as my guest today, Cathy Biase, who is a holistic nutritionist and certified professional cancer coach, she specializes in the functional application of nutrition for root cause health improvement in the area of chronic disease with a focus on cancer care. She is the host of the health hub, a radio talk show and podcast covering various aspects of integrative health as is a teacher of the Canadian school of natural nutrition. Cathy is educating people on topics such as nutritional support for cancer patients, managing side effects of allopathic cancer care, the microbiome and its link to health and the immune system. Wade Lightheart: She received her bachelor of science from the university of Toronto at St. Michael's college, majoring in psychology, and is a graduate of the Canadian school of natural nutrition and received her cancer coaching certification from the national association of professional cancer coaches. Kathy, welcome to the show. Cathy Biase: Thank you for having me Wade. Wade Lightheart: Well, you know I think nobody escapes the cancer conversation. Every family, I believe pretty much on the planet is touched by cancer. My own journey was touched by that with my sisters early demise at the age of 22 and the whole experience leading up to that, then I remember the helplessness that we felt when we were only going into a hospital situation. We only had with the doctors there talking all this language that we don't know. And despite the most valued efforts of our entire family, there was just so many things that we didn't have access to. We didn't know what to do. We didn't know how to mitigate side effects. We didn't know how to map. Like there's so many questions that now, today you're really as an option for people to consider. If they're going to say, can you talk, maybe if it's the backstory of how you got into your mission around healthcare and cancer? Cathy Biase: Okay, well, after I graduated, I was actually in business. So I worked on Bay street, downtown. That's our financial area. And fast forward, I started working with my dad. We had a small business and then he fell ill and we closed the business down. So about a month after that, I found a lump in my breast and was diagnosed with breast cancer. So I spent the next year going through the integrator or going through the allopathic care, but I had the very good fortune of being hooked up with three people. I was in a small boutique gym. I was a member there I'd go every day. And when I found out that I had cancer, I went in and I said, I'm going to have to pull back. You know, they've told me not to exercise. I've got cancer, I've got to stay quiet. Cathy Biase: And it was no absolutely not. We need you to exercise. I want you to start taking these supplements. I want you to start. So I had three people working on three different things and I made it through my treatments. I lost my hair. That was probably the biggest side effect I had. My blood work was always good. And when you go and you're in the hospital setting, you run across the same people that are, you know, getting their treatments, especially radiation treatment. You're there every day. So if I kind of get a group, right, and I talked to a lot of people, some of them had a hiatus in their treatment because they fell so ill from treatment that they had to take a break. I talked to one lady who was actually hospitalized and I started thinking like, what was different? Cathy Biase: And of course there are just so many people dealing with throughs, right. You know, we can check in for your appointments and you're waiting in line. And it's, it's, it's overwhelming. And there were so many things, as I, as I thought about how I seem to differ from a lot of people and it came down to, I was prepared and it wasn't life altering preparation. They were lifestyle changes. They were diet changes. They were knowledge changes that I could implement readily. And I thought this needs, people need to know this. So I thought after the year finished, my job was done with my dad. I thought I'm going to go back to school. So I went back to school, I took my certification with the national association of professional cancer coaches, and I got my certification and that's where it started. My brother-in-law fell ill,with melanoma and during his course of care, I linked up with a naturopathic oncology,specialist. Cathy Biase: I've been with him since I've learned a great deal in that side of, of integrative cancer care and through working with people and talking to people, I really evolved into what I saw was necessary. It wasn't just nutrition. It wasn't just you know, working out and it was health. And it took me three or four years to finally grasp that it was, we're not taking care of our health before treatment, during treatment and after. And that's where I found my lane. And I started working with cancer patients, mostly people that are inactive care. I'm starting to get people now that are preparing, which is great, but that's where I really, I found my lane. So it's not about only nutrition. It's about creating an internal environment that will get the most from your nutrition. It's about getting lifestyle choices. And as I said, they're not lifestyle choices that you have to go complete hard left for most people, it's just understanding, educating and giving this substantial piece of a cancer protocol that's missing. And it's attending to health. Wade Lightheart: Well said, let's, I want to dive into that a little bit, because you know, I have friends and family members who, you know, get diagnosed recently or friends of friends and, you know, eventually someone calls me, texts me something, Hey, what can I do? And all that sort of stuff, maybe you can talk about, okay. First and foremost, what is it? One in two people are going to get cancer. Now, something like that. So basically if you look around and your family, dinning room table, half of those people are going to get a cancer diagnosis at some point in time. And there's some scientists that said, well, the longer that you live, the higher, the likelihood that you're going to develop cancer. And that's true of all organisms. And, but what happens is there's this, when you get the diagnosis, I think, can you talk about maybe the emotional side? Because you understand psychology, you understand the experience, like what happens typically in your case versus some other people that allowed you to be more prepared, or how do you prepare people moving forward based on you know, your training in psychology. Coz I think that's a big part. Would you agree? Cathy Biase: That's a huge part. It's, it's, it's a space that I'm actually trying to move into now that that spacemy focus has been recently that space between end of treatment and getting back into normal life. That space there that's never attended to a virtually never attended to, but you can't. Okay. I shouldn't say I couldn't. I thought it was in good health. I was not prepared for a cancer diagnosis. Still the knee-jerk reaction is the mortality piece that, you know, your diagnosis. It's not like being diagnosed with another illness. You hear the word cancer and automatically we need [Inaudible] to a very dark space. It can't be helped. But I think through education, I think through programs where people are taught just even by word of mouth, by seeing other people go through integrative care, at least we're trying to build more of a hopeful Avenue where yes, it's shocking. Cathy Biase: Yes. And physiologically the stress is not good. We don't need to go into the immune system and that from the shock of a diagnosis, but that emotional piece is definitely a part of the integrative care, because as the head goes, the rest of the body goes and the impact of our thoughts and our emotions on our microbiome, which is a key piece of what I try to teach people. It's not just something that's out there spoken of. Now. It's not just, you know, your grandmother saying think positive thoughts and all will go well, it's true. It's been shown the physiological impact of how we view the world. What we think about how our thoughts, they impact us physiologically, and for lack of a better thing, it puts us under stress. So that is one of the first things that I speak with people about, as I said, usually I'm getting people that are in allopathic care and looking for support. Cathy Biase: And one of the first things I say to them is this is the protocol you've chosen. Believe in it. Don't have second thoughts in what's going on with you. You know, we get on the internet and it can bring up a whole lot of controversy and opinions that, you know, am I doing the right thing? You've made a choice, believe in it. This is the path you're going down. Believe it's helping your body. And now let's support it. The emotional piece is so very important. And there's just so many aspects to hit that on the emotional piece of the supporters, the emotional piece of the actual cancer patients, it all has to be dealt with in an integrative space. But I think when you have the understanding that you have a very controllable piece of your protocol, that gives you some peace of mind when you are taken into the allopathic setting, it's like you're thrown into this Treadwell, the wheel where you're just appointment results, appointments, test results, and you lose control. You're just it can be very, very overwhelming, but when you get home and you say, I need to go for a walk today, I need to do this. This is all part of my cancer protocol. It's calming. It's a piece of the mental space that you can control. And I think personally, I think it's vital. I think it's absolutely vital. Wade Lightheart: You make a great statement. And I think one of the hardest things for people to deal with is that sense of, well, there's nothing I can do. I've turned over the results of my life to these external authorities. We're doing the best that they can, but I'm essentially a number inside of a sea of cases that they're dealing with. And they're talking in terms that I don't understand, they're giving me drugs, I cannot pronounce theirs. And then I go on the internet and you got one people saying, this is state of the care. And the other people saying that stuff will kill you. You know, we have a proliferation of opinions that can influence you. And I think anytime that you can know, go back to any endeavor, whether it's business, whether it's working in a company, whether it was back, even when I was a bodybuilder, is once I was clear about the things that I control, what am I doing at six o'clock? Wade Lightheart: What am I doing at eight o'clock? What am I eating at noon? What am I doing…once I had that, then as I moved towards a high pressure situation, which is, well, am I going to survive or not? The point was, is I wasn't so caught up in what was happening a month from now two months from now, three months from now, I was dealing with what I needed to do that day. And I stayed president. And that return that component. I think that's really critical for people, because otherwise you just seem to be kind of like a cork drifting in the ocean. Maybe you can talk about,uthe profile of what you would say a successful person would do under the guidance of,you can't control the outcome of, okay, you got cancer diagnosis. What does a person do? Cathy Biase: Well, if you're in the allopathy of the medical system, right? You're under a standard of care there's an umbrella. So each type of cancer is given a basic standard of care. This is what the doctors have to do, but what the doctors aren't controlling is how individualized your disease is. Yes, it could be a breast cancer. What the thumb print of it is individual each and every person. And that's because our internal, our makeup is different from everybody else. So this to me is profound. When you have that understanding that if you attend to your health, everything you're doing is just magnified in its performance. I think it brings a sense of what's the word I'm looking for, hope more than just relying on other people and having that… Wade Lightheart: Essentially, you're stacking the deck in your favor. Cathy Biase: You're trying to, right. And the more we understand how the microbiome works and its impact on uncertain medications and its impact on stress and its impact on inflammation. You know, the one piece that people understand now, I think people who come to me, people are in the integrative space is they understand the word inflammation. So just that one target alone, I can speak to them. Everything I can talk to them about is to try and damper down that inflammation. And I think when we can talk to people and say, listen, this is a profound part of your health and how you're going to come out on the other side. It's like, if I can do that, then I can make sure that I'm eating properly. I can make sure that I'm in my mental space properly. It turns people around. It turns supporters around. It's good for the cancer patient. And it also, it gives directive to the people that are supporting them and both need to be taken care of, but both need to have that understanding that there is far more work to do than just your appointments. Wade Lightheart: That's a big component. Because I think there's, there's the diagnosis with the individual, but then there's the ripple effect of its impact on the family members, scheduling economics and everybody so often, or even in your associate friends fear or whatever they go, well, what can we do to support you? How can we help? There's a lot of willing people that oftentimes want to provide support, but they don't know what to do either. Do I bake you a pie? Do I take you to like, you know, so people don't know what to do, even though they're very well meaning. And oftentimes they get paralyzed because they feel helpless as well. What are some I'd like to dive into that? Coz I remember that was the feeling I had when I was a teenager and I was dealing with my sister's illness and I, and I certainly know that was a case for my parents. Wade Lightheart: And you're kind of, you know, creating these coalitions. And I can remember as, as sidebar, one of, as you were saying, one of us, one of the people that my sister was being treated with was like, they would get into their treatment. And they were just smoking pot, which was radical in new Brunswick back in the 1980s. And he said, well, and they're like, well, why are you smoking pot? And he's like, look, this chills me out and I can eat. That was for that person. Now, interestingly enough, that person ended up recovering. My sister didn't want to do that because she thought, well, I don't know if that was a good idea. She was kind of a military background. And then we have some people now saying, Hey, there is benefits to using CBD or some of the cannabinoid basis. I'm actually opening up two equations. So first and foremost having a program for yourself, as well as being able to get your team on board, quote unquote, your associative effects was one thing. And then maybe we can walk into some, maybe some components that people haven't considered from a dietary or you've mentioned the microbiome or things that they absolutely should be doing. Cathy Biase: Okay. So having a program that someone can refer to as a supporter is great. Whether or not like for instance, working with me, I give recipes. If that's all you want someone to do, designation is what I tell people to do from the get-go. A lot of people don't like designating, a lot of people have a hard time asking for help. This is the first thing I tell them to do you need help if you're a mom that has kids that need to be picked up, let's make a chart, let's figure out how we're going to work. That will take stress off. You need to take that stress off. Uand the flip side of it that I mentioned to people, I get, I get people that say that can be disappointed in, in who's sort of forming their tribe. Cathy Biase: And I know this from personal my personal experience, the people that come to your table, maybe very different than you thought. And it's not a good, bad or otherwise. Some people can't handle certain things and that is, you know, surprisingly enough, that is a consideration that a lot of people I sort of, as we're going through things they mentioned, and you've got to brush that away. Some people can't do it, but you'll have the people there that you need. And maybe those people that you kind of thought would be there for you they're coming later. So that's a piece that I like to talk about first. The supporters when I'm working with them was a lot of times if I'm working with a mom who has a child, that's ill I'll say, how are you doing? I had one mom say to me, no one's ever asked me that. Cathy Biase: How are you doing? You've got to take care of yourself as well as everybody else. As well as the person that's sick. So what they're learning through integrative care can be applied to them. So that's how I work with supporters. Also, again, from personal experience, sometimes cancer patients don't want to offload a whole bunch on their loved ones. You know, they're already relying so much, there's nothing wrong with going out and getting help for that. Talking to someone who's not a part of the piece right now. So those are the, the ways that I sort of work with support. I'm not a therapist, so I certainly don't sit and work through that, but I can certainly give options. And so it was the other piece of that question. Wade Lightheart: Yeah. I kind of loaded you up on few different questions, which I tend to do that sometimes. Coz I started getting ahead of myself. I think you gave a good component of how to set the [Inaudible] reschedule and designation possibilities for people and recognizing what you're comfortable with and what other people are comfortable with and then filling in those gaps, maybe with assistance outside of, beyond your means. Cathy Biase: That this is temporary. So this is what I have to get. This is a temporary schedule, you know, call in your chips and get the help that you need. Take that stress off of you. Wade Lightheart: Wonderful. So the second part of the questionwhich was totally unrelated, where were some of, what are some of the things from a nutrition point? Because you are a trained at the Canadian school of natural nutrition. What are some of the things that you have found, which for the most part is a general suggestion help people go through cancer treatment in a way that alleviate some of the side effects or supports the recovery of the treatment they're undergoing. Cathy Biase: Well, again, it's not just about nutrition. So I sort of lay the groundwork with everybody and talking about what the microbiome is, how impactful it is on health and how to attend to it. This is not something that doctors can deal with right now. This is not under the realm of medical care. The microbiome is our baby. It's a huge piece of our health. So I educate people on how to take care of it. So we're talking fiber, we're talking fermented foods, we're talking lots of nutrients, colorful nutrients in the diet because the microbiome feeds on these type of things. The fermented foods are probiotic foods. Now, again, this is generalized because people are going through treatment. Some doctors don't like them on fermented foods, but we can work around that. A big piece of the nutrition is when we're eating. So I often talk about the schedule of when they eat. Cathy Biase: We talk about their body cycles. We talk about circadian rhythm. So this is very important to me. I think it's a very important piece of extracting all this sort of preemptive work within our body is so that we can extract all the nutrients that are going into it. So knowing when to eat, knowing that there are certain times of the day that the body really doesn't want to eat basically at night time, our body wants to detoxify. It wants to repair. So giving people the understanding that let's not push too close to bedtime and low down on food. And again, these are all generalized. If someone is not eating well, they're the cupcakes that I'm not going to tell them not to eat later on at night, but these are general terms for overall health. I'm a big proponent of supporting our detoxification systems. Cathy Biase: So I like to talk about the seven basic aspects of our detoxification and how to support them with different nutrients. I talk a lot about the liver phase one and phase two detoxification, adding lots of cruciferous vegetables to the diet, flax seeds, different seeds. I'm not someone who changes diet profoundly unless we're coming from like a McDonald's setting into my care. I find a lot of people that I work with are very into nutrition. They have a very good concept. It was actually very intimidating to me when I first started, I get people coming in and tell me the macros they were eating and so forth. So that's another piece of what I do is pull them back from that because I don't want what they eat and their nutrition to be another stressor in their life. Cathy Biase: This is an important thing for me. You have to enjoy your food. You know, people are going through allopathic care and they're at the hospital and they're doing treatments and they're getting test results. I don't want you to come home and look in your fridge and go, well, now I've got to down the tofu, my raw broccoli. You know, I want you to sit at a table, have nutritious food with people that you love because to me again, you're going to extract far more nutrients because you're not in a stressful place. I don't like to focus on the food as a protocol. I want to focus on the food as enhancing their overall health. So that's an important piece for me, we'll go over, you know, the certain ratio of nutrients that I've kind of liked them to get into their diet, like the protein, the fiber, the carbs, I'll do some food therapies. Cathy Biase: If the person is healthy enough, someone's going into chemotherapy or radiation depending upon their schedule of treatment. I've had a lot of success with reducing calories and carbohydrates two days before with mitigating side effects. These are all sort of part and parcel of, of nutrition therapies that we can implement. But again, it's, it's often taking what people are doing and just fine tuning it. And the effects are profound. The effects are profound. I get so many people saying is the chemotherapy working because I don't feel that bad. You know, it's, that's exactly what we want. That's what I want to hear. And I focus on nutrition at each phase of what they're going through. So when someone's going into treatment, our objective is to get them through treatment. That is my sole objective. They've got their schedule. They know what's coming up, let's get you through this treatment, mitigating as many side effects as possible, then we'll work on the rest afterwards. We'll work on repairing. We're work on getting rid of what the body doesn't need in there. They're important pieces. And they're very segmented the way I work. Wade Lightheart: One of the things that you mentioned I think was of point, and you talked about, you just made a brief mention. It was kind of like walking or something. And of course, oftentimes cancer treatments can be very debilitating or sometimes we have older cares, any general observations about how someone manages their fitness during this, or like what can they handle and what can they not handle typically? And what are some suggestions maybe that most people can just consider as kind of like the basic minimums that they need to kind of be mindful of if at all possible? Cathy Biase: Well, again, depending on where you're starting, I worked with a man who was a huge biker and him getting on his bike was not only exercise for him, but it was peace of mind. It was blowing through that stressor, but he was of that fit level, exercise in and of itself is inflammatory. And this is a good inflammatory response, but when you're going through treatment, we have to manage that. So I, you know, it depends on where they're at. I always want movement. If they're going through chemotherapy, the blood can get thicker. We want to make sure that things are circulating. We want to make sure things are moving. Blood carries a lot of important things, so we don't want anything stagnant. So if someone is very tired, I will just you know, suggest they take a towel or a band and just sit there on the couch and use it. Cathy Biase: But generally speaking, I want people moving a lot. I want them walking. It helps with sleep. It helps with stress. It helps with insulin management. It helps with blood sugar. All of these things are our key. We want to keep the inflammation level so that again, so that we get through the treatment. So I always want people moving. I wouldn't suggest to someone to start maybe, you know, training for a marathon if they [Inaudible] but definitely walking, moving to the point where you feel good, but you're not exhausted, I want you exhausted. Wade Lightheart: Stimulation. Cathy Biase: Perfect. Wade Lightheart: Yeah, beautiful. What are some, maybe some other areas that we haven't touched on that you address in, coz it's been quite thorough already. Is there some areas that we haven't identified that need to be taken into consideration? Cathy Biase: Well, we didn't talk too much about detoxification, so that is a big piece. So when people are going through treatment, definitely we want to give them nutrients that support especially the liver and make sure that the liver is prepared and candy toxify as, as good as possible. I tell people to, to take, you know, constipation and diarrhea are two extreme ends of the spectrum. A lot more people. I, that I encounter suffer from constipation. I do encourage people to take the medications that the doctor has given to them and then we deal with those side effects as well. I think once you, once you dive into your protocol, you gotta go all in. So I do support that very much and the body will heal. We can heal. So those are things that maybe we haven't talked about too much, but again, supporting detoxification as you're going through treatment is very important. Cathy Biase: What we're doing between treatments is also important supplements we didn't talk about. So those are very specific to each individual case and especially to each individual doctor some doctors are more open to certain supplementation. Some not some reasons are very valid. We don't want any interactions with chemotherapy. So again, those are very individualized. Generally when, you know, with my, with my program, if I'm not speaking to you directly, I don't recommend supplements. That's not something that I can generalize with, but there are some valid studies and some valid supplements that can just help to nourish even a multivitamin. If the doctor will allow, can, can be very supportive of people. Wade Lightheart: Excellent. let's talk a little bit about your work and that you're doing on your podcast, you have the health hub radio talk show, and you do have I believe a program for people if they are, you know, dealing with a diagnosis and want to put everything in their favor. Do you want to talk a little bit about how that emerged, Cathy Biase: How the health have emerged? That's a totally different story. Wade Lightheart: Yeah. Let's do the protocol. We'll talk about the health hub next, like, like for example, how do people, like, how do people get your program? You had to look at it. It looks great. How do people find it and access it and get forward it, and then let's talk about the health hub radio. Cathy Biase: My website it's on my website under cancer canopy. So I do other nutrition as well, the bulk of my practices in cancer. So I've got a separate drop-down tab. It's called cancer canopy. And my online program is there to download. So it's cathybiase.com. So that's the easiest way to find me. And the health hub was a friend of mine at a radio station, asked if I wanted to do a radio show. And I thought he was insane, but having come through cancer and having become a cancer coach, I thought, why not give it a shot? I was so nervous and mine is not just a pa it's a radio show and it was live at the time. It took me three weeks to prepare for my first show. And so I did my first show and it just gained speed. Cathy Biase: I kept throwing out too big. I got you on my show. I throw it to big names. I thought, you know, what all they can do is say no. And it evolved. And it's an integrative show. We have people on who have been successful authors. I've had chefs on, I've had scientists on scientists love to come onto my show. It gives them a platform to talk about things that we may not see for 10 to 12 years. So I love having scientists on the show, and it's just a show that I try and bring people on so that my listeners have the right questions. So when they have something that they need to talk to the doctor about, they have the right questions. And if they're not getting the answers that they or the doctor's not able to help them, they have the ability to research and look elsewhere. Cathy Biase: I just want to give people information that there's so much out there that they can reach for it's science-based which I think helps my listeners to it's more valid to them and things that I just want to educate. I love educating. I love doing webinars. I love doing my show. UI had one of my guests on a webinar yesterday, so,uman who wrote Jon Leland, he wrote happiness as a choice. So through all this, the pandemic and everything, I wanted to do a webinar with him. So he came back on, my guests are, are wonderful. And it's been,just a joy for me. It's, it's an aside from cancer care. I don't have a lot of cancer guests on the show [Inaudible] I learned, I learned so much and that's why I keep doing it. I love the people I meet and I love learning from them. Wade Lightheart: Cathy, we'll put all the connections into how people can access the show. If you can just say, where did they actually find the health help? Cathy Biase: The health hub you can find on Spotify, SoundCloud iTunes, it's on my website. There's I don't have a website for [Inaudible]. If you go to my website, you'll see the health hub there, but it's on all your favorite podcast platforms. Wade Lightheart: Another question I have for you, wrap things up is what you envisioned or what are you helping to move towards for people from a complete perspective, whether it's addressing their health or addressing a diagnosis and managing cancer treatment, per se, like, what would you say would be the perfect scenario, that people could, you know, kind of move towards. Because right now we've kind of got an incomplete one and you're kind of bridge that gap. What would you say, Hey, you know, so-and-so got diagnosed with breast cancer or prostate cancer, a couple of common ones, let's say, what would you suggest as a course of action? Cathy Biase: My ideal, my out there, my Everest is for people to get a diagnosis of cancer and say, all right, okay, so now what do we do? I've got to get this, I've got to get this. I've got to get this. I want the fear, the absolute abject fear. I want to tone that down. I want people to understand that they have options, that they are a part of the process. It would be for me, for people to say, okay, now I've got to prepare for treatment. It just doesn't happen enough. And here are the steps I need to take care of me to prepare for my treatment. Because I think in doing that, I think the fear is brought down a little bit. I think when people understand that they have…when you're given a diagnosis, the first thing, Oh, chemotherapy rate, I don't want that. I want, okay. So now what do I do to prepare for these things that if I could get those words out of people's mouths, if they can say, how do I take care of myself going into treatment? What do I need to pray? I will think that we are moving in the right direction. Wade Lightheart: Well, there you have it folks. Cathy Biase you've been an absolute joy to have here on the podcast. And for those who've been listening to this, I think it's really important. Share this particular episode with your friends, with the people that might've been diagnosed with cancer, not sure what to do and keep it in your files. Inevitably all of us are going to face cancer either for ourselves or someone close to us that we love. And you, as I said, want to stack the deck in your favor. And I think you've come up with a great program for people to, okay, here's what I can do. Let's take control of the things I can control this, turn the rest of it over to God and the doctors and move forward with the best intentions. Thank you so much for joining us today and for all of our listeners at BiOptimizers. I hope you enjoyed this podcast, please post share smash the Like if you enjoyed it, but more importantly, do not let cancer beat you, let cancer be an opportunity for personal growth and the development of even better approach to your own health for you, your family, and your loved ones. Thank you so much for joining us today at the Awesome Health Podcast, I'm Wade T Lightheart, Take care. Lots of love.