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059: Natural Radiance Inside and Out with Nadine Artemis

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Creating a natural radiance inside and out is a byproduct of living a healthy life, and we can always enhance it naturally. Here to tell us how is Nadine Artemis of Living Libations. Living Libations is a luxury line of organic wild crafted non-GMO serums, elixirs, and essential oils for those seeking the purest botanical natural health and beauty products on the planet.

In addition, Nadine is the author of several books including Renegade, Beauty Reveal, Revive Your Natural Radiance and Holistic Dental Care. Her pure botanicals are a must-have for celebrities like Mandy Moore and Alanis Morisette, which has led to Nadine and her creations being featured in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Yoga Journal, New York magazine, and many other publications you’d recognize.

Today on Awesome Health episode 59, Nadine explains how she got started in this realm bymixing up cosmetic hand-me-downs from her sister and her mom. She also loved Egyptian history and her grandfather’s paintings of Egyptian historical sites he had seen during some of his archaeological digs (places like the Temple of Luxor, etc). That love led her to do a school project on one of those paintings and she discovered essential oils in the process. These interests and passions led her to eventually combine them all into Living Libations. She goes into full detail on this show.

Nadine explains what our microbiome is, how to take better care of it, the difference between natural and synethic aromas and why oral care has been associated with longevity. A simple thing you can do right now to help your health is flossing every day! Nadine tells us about a doctor who did a small experiment on himself and a few others: those who flossed every night had far fewer cytokines than those who didn’t.

And if we are having other oral care problems (like a dentist telling us we need root canals or we have cavities that need to be filled), there are ways we can heal our teeth and our mouths. Our mouths are living organisms linked to the rest of our bodies that can become healthier through things like avoiding white foods, filtering our water and stopping the use of fluoride toothpastes.

You can hear all of the details on those topics and so much more on this fascinating journey during today’s Awesome Health Podcast with Nadine Artemis.

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Wade Lightheart: Good morning, good afternoon and good evening. It is Wade T Lightheart from BiOptimizers and the Awesome Health Podcast. And we are excited and delighted because we have a very special guest today who's going to talk to us about a variety of things which comes to skincare and holistic oral hygiene. And her name is Nadine Artemis. And she actually has a spot right down the street from me and Venice, California. Of course, she's a transplanted Canadian like myself, which is great going around the world, helping people. She's an author of a couple of books, "Renegade beauty: reveal, and revive your natural radiance" and "Holistic dental care: The complete guide to healthy teeth and gums". This is a big thing if you want to live a long time. She is the creator of living libations, a luxury line of organic wild crafted non-GMO serums, elixirs, and essential oils for those seeking the purest of the pure botanical natural health and beauty products on the planet.

Wade Lightheart: I love her products. They work great. They feel great, and they smell amazing. Anyways, some of her celebrity fans are Shailene Woodley, Carrie Anne Moss, Mandy Moore and and a ton of others. In fact, Alanis Morissette describing Nadine as a true sense, visionary amazing. Her official biography begins when she first combined flasks of essential oils to recreate Nina Ricci’s L’Air du Temps for a school of science fair. There's my French accent for you folks. And of course, she started this whole thing way back osmosis in 1994. You're like an OG legend in this whole thing. This is great. And she's been received glowing reviews from some of the most critical, would say media outlets in the world, like the Hollywood reporter, Los Angeles, times, New York magazine people L, Yoga journal, Natural health, The New York times and The national post bottom line.

Wade Lightheart: Nadine is an innovative aroma ecologist, developing immune enhancing formulas and medicinal brand blends for health and wellness. So let's get at it. Let's just get started. Nadine. Welcome to the show.

Nadine Artemis: Hi, I'm so happy to be here now.

Wade Lightheart: I know you are way up in the wilds of Northern Ontario. Well, we'd call Southern Ontario, but everybody in the States would figure you're like next door. Basically it's Southern Ontario for us Canadians. It's way up North from everybody in the States and below. Thanks for joining us during this whole lockdown craziness. It is an interesting time now. I think it's really fascinating. I want to dive into a couple of things before we get to the oral dental care, because I think that's a scenario that people really need to kind of get to, but 1994, like, okay, like what was going, people were not talking organic skincare and mixing oils, how the heck did you get into this to give us a backstory where you're from this.

Nadine Artemis: I started to, that's why I'm still like, really could that have happened without the internet.

Wade Lightheart: It's kind of amazing that things happened before that. I think you're going to change the calendar from like, instead of like AD and all that know it's going to be BI before the internet and after the internet. So be BI and AI. So I guess with artificial intelligence is driving.

Nadine Artemis: Exact moment, the BC, right? The before COVID.

Wade Lightheart: Yes. Before COVID and after. God, man. How did you get started on this whole thing?

Nadine Artemis: Well, it was like, luckily to dive into it early, I feel like when I was a kid, a lot of what I knew and what shaped me was like really honing into what I was very much. Like if I didn't like it or want I've just really would veer away and was always focusing on what I love. What am I strengths now? Obviously that's a bit hard when you're just a kid and you're going to school and you know, you can't just drop subjects. You don't like, but I did keep that focus going. And when I could have those moments of self directed learning, like that science fair project where I didn't know what I was going to do, but then I found a book on making cosmetics at the library and there was this great chapter on perfumes. And then I really was like, Oh, they're like made from things. Right. Cause we didn't know. We just had all these bottles and I collected them all. And I was the youngest in my family. So I got all the hand me downs from like my mom and my sister on the cosmetics. So I just would like blend it all.

Wade Lightheart: Wow. Doing this as a teenager.

Nadine Artemis: Or even a kid, I just mixed it handily.
Nadine Artemis: I take the eye shadow, mix it with the lip balm and make like a white lipstick so I was doing that and I was mixing those synthetic perfumes too. So when I was like, Oh my God, they're like distilled from things and plants. And there's this history with Egypt and I loved Egypt. And my great grandfather happened to just be the president of the London Egyptology society in 18 hundreds. And he would go on archeological digs with like Howard Carter. So I had his paintings in our home, which were like his hand painting of the temple of Luxor or like ISIS, like this whole goddess picture and the original framework and stuff. So that was sort of like, there's an undercurrent. So I was fascinated. I did the project in the book. They talk about these things called essential oils.


Nadine Artemis: That's what they were made. And they said you could probably find them at your health food stores. So my mom drove us in and that's where I got my first whiffs of things like orange lemon grass, Jasmine, oolong. And that really spoke to me now, again, I wasn't getting the messages at that stage and I didn't still get the difference between natural and synthetic, but definitely there was an awakening with my whole factory bulb and a fascination. So that continued and then other like the body shop existed and we thought that was natural. So it seemed exciting. Then what happened is I went to university and I just started to really think about what I was eating. And then I happened to be skipping school one day and Lisa Bonet was on a talk show and she was talking about the connection between like food and diet and ecology and health.

Nadine Artemis: And we never even talked about health and food kind of like then, I think we knew something, but not really. I mean, my mom kind of like, Oh, my brother couldn't eat sugar. Those are family. But so that was really neat. And then it was really just a period of a month where I was like, okay, I get what I'm eating. I'm not going to eat processed food again. I always ate organic from that moment forward. I started really understanding what's on the label. What is this process food? Let buy food without labels. You know, that whole thing. I really got it. And then it just looked over at my skincare labels. And I was like, Holy cow, you know what I thought was natural, just isn't. And immediately I just started making my own stuff while I was going to university.

Nadine Artemis: Luckily I lived by myself at that stage and I just could like convert my kitchen. And I was starting to make things and then sell it to friends and family. And it was successful as a side hobby business. And then at school I got to, I was learning about like a women's health and the hazards of value,why midwifery is really neat and like the historical medical history of women's bodies. So that was super fascinating because then if you put plug in beauty to that and the history of beauty in Western culture, or even in other cultures, I mean from foot binding, you know, to genital mutilation, to just mercury or lead in our cosmetics, like the history is just really not like it's so intense and not a good story. So I just found that those two things were really kind of related as well, so that, you know, what we're putting on in and around our bodies is like political it's health.

Nadine Artemis: It's like the whole thing. So also I was really able to channel my youthful renegade rebellion into something really, really productive. And I would read a lot of books and research about all these raw materials and I couldn't get them at the local health food store. So I just started searching and exploring the world and writing to farmers and agricultural consulates and distillers. And then I just started gathering my own raw materials from around the world, because I would read about it in a book and I had to smell it. I had to bring it in like obsessed. And so while I was going to university, I just started importing all these raw materials and essential oils. And then just like six months after graduating, I opened up North America's first full concept of chromotherapy store called Osmosis, right on Queen street in Toronto.

Wade Lightheart: Wow. Totally. For those who don't know, Queen street is where it's all going down in Toronto, a lot of great shops, it'd be very similar to Soho kind of. It's an awesome place. You know, you touched on a couple of things and I think this is a really important thing for people to address. There is an incredible amount of pressure in today's world on women. We're 60 years basically into the most radical biological experiment in the history of biology. And that is that women can now control whether they have kids or not. And I, I think that's not a political statement, that's just a reality. And that has changed a lot of the possibilities, a lot of the trajectories for women, but there's still this huge cosmetic industry, a fashion cosmetic beauty.

Wade Lightheart: It's all kind of rolled into one. That's kind of extremely overt, hyper feminine, kind of projection that's airbrushed and chemicalized, and you know, factioned out with extraordinary expensive clothes and crazy stuff. And then you mentioned, they're putting all these toxic chemicals on top of the person. So you fit the airbrush photo shoot at a lot of law with all the right angles. And they took 10,000 photos and they have the three ones are the most genetically beautiful people in the entire world, who're starving themselves. And this kind of craziness kind of goes on there and that is seen as the standard for women. I can relate cause I got hooked into the bodybuilding world. They show these hyper hyper masculine stage men with massive muscles in your 15 year old kid going on.

Wade Lightheart: Obviously I'm not this guy and they put them on covers with beautiful women and that you're going to get women or they're going to do this. And so they, they kind of hook our sexuality into it and sexual desirability and all of that glamour, which has its own energy and all these kinds of very powerful base drives and then wrap it out into this kind of external appearance. But that's dangerous because what, not only what people doing from a health side, but what they're putting on their skin. Can you talk to me like, how do people find that? Like, what was your journey when you're like, Oh, they're killing women to look a certain way?

Nadine Artemis: Well, it was so long ago, we didn't even have OMG as an expression.

Wade Lightheart: And no one heard us a better if we said it anyways. Right.

Nadine Artemis: But the crazy thing is l was coming into my realization in the nineties where we needed media literacy. And it was like that first wave of how to read what's in the ad and like understanding airbrushing. Like I think as a people we knew, but we weren't having that filter as we saw everything. Oh yeah. That's airbrushed and stuff. And now everything's gotten more complicated, including like the foundation and the makeup that has like polymers in it. And you got a full non porous layer over the skin and surgeries. And everything's like, since the nineties, all of that has just like ping-pong. Now we're a little more media literate and we know things are airbrushed, but I still don't think it can penetrate that first visual hit of seeing things.

Nadine Artemis: And then this cultural construct of comparison now as human beings, I'm sure we're all, we're probably gotten a little bit of a wiring to compare in a way, but like right now it's so hyped up and everything's on the veneer and even men I think were a little safe before, and we didn't have to see every square inch of the man's real estate as something that we can sell a product to. But those days are over now too. Right? It's like every faucet of the human being is like the scene as a marketed realm and especially in the realm of cosmetics. And we all know, it's like, let's market to the insecurities or even create insecurities. In my book, I have a whole chapter dedicated to the health of the vagina and I'd take a walk through what we've been, what the advertising has been producing since the forties.

Nadine Artemis: And it starts out with Lysol. You can Google vintage Lysol ads for duching and it's installed, then that got a bit harsh. So then Listerine came out and was like, you know, we're gentler. And it never really got better since then. And then I have a quote from Bill Blas who started making a skincare line besides the clothing. And it's just this quote that was like, Oh, there's a whole new area that we can create an insecurity around and market to it. Now that's not a direct quote, but it's like, he basically it's quoted in the book, but it's just like that horrific. And so that's what we're up against in a way. Then the crazy thing is, is that we're really psychically thinking that beauty is something that's applied. You know, that's like, that's the message. And then if we really look at the ingredients, it's insane because that is aging like that $1,000 eye cream or that $5 eye cream from the drug store. It's insane. You know, what the ingredients are and how it's just the entity that no cell in our body is parched for petroleum, like nothing's going to find homeostasis from applying petroleum based creams to our bodies.

Wade Lightheart: This is one of my really things. And you know, I'm, I'm a guy that I know nothing about cosmetics, right? That's why we have people like you to talk to me about it. And I know a lot of guys, like since I grew up, when I started, like if a guy was using kind of skincare, cosmetic stuff, and now it's this huge industry for guys, one of the things I've always found fascinating. And I see this kind of trend with social media is like, I see younger girls today kind of looking almost like plasticky dolls with very thick levels of foundation. And it's kind of artificial, digital imagery that comes out and I'm looking at them and I'm seeing girls going to do that. Don't know what's going on. But the part that really always got me is you talk about petroleum base. The girls will put on all these crazy lipsticks kind of to make you more attractive through biological attraction processes and stuff. And you get to the point where you kiss them. And it just tastes like I was motor oil and be like, God. And as guys we would sit around and going my lady has something I don't like, that crazy taste on your mouth. And it gets gross.

Nadine Artemis: It is interesting. Generally, if we are doing this all for the male population, I mean, that's sort of what the ads do. Right. That's what their message say, we get pretty for attracting men. I don't think guys are totally into like red nail Polish and red lipstick.

Wade Lightheart: They're not, but I have another theory and that is that women don't try to look better for men. I think they look better to outcompete the other women.

Nadine Artemis: That could be a part of it now too.

Wade Lightheart: There's like a competition.

Nadine Artemis: Yeah. Because really the Mount that we've been marked get into on like every level and it's way more, it's just more now everything's been expanded. It's a bit of a mind f because it's hard to know where our thoughts begin or not, or this level of comparison. I think one of the best things we can do as human beings for ourselves and for one another is to just stop the comparison. Just stop it. Like, if you're seeing your brain go that way, bring it back in. And maybe that'll be for some people, some of the gifts from this quarantine time. Cause we are needing to be a little more inward, a little less external stimulus, you know?

Wade Lightheart: It's going to be a tough one. I know I'm a big fan of dr. Jordan Peterson and he talks about the neurophysiology of biochemical hierarchies. We're hard wired from lobsters all up that we share the surface nervous system and how we stand and how we carry yourself and all these sort of things contribute. And of course, beauty being, sexual desirability and stuff like that. So maybe if we can't totally get away from the comparison models that's co baked into our system and we create a value system. And I think this is one of the areas that you do really well. Not only do you have products that I think make people look better, but it's 100% allowing people to experience health, not compromising their health in the longterm, by what I call unleashing the natural beauty within, by putting these natural, organic compounds, these things that are actually enhancing your health. And because I can tell you this,every guy I know loves that kind of natural, healthy, glowing component, it's far more attractive as a person. And there seems to be when I've gone through the whole gamut. I feel a natural connection to people who are on that, you know, like just, there just feels an organic feel to how that person is and they seem more genuine than they seem more with it. I know that's a projection, but it just seems…
Nadine Artemis: It feels like there might be less veils or something. I know when I get to hug somebody that's like totally just doused in the natural aromas. It's does feel a little more.

Wade Lightheart: So let's talk about that. Let's talk about the difference between the tactile or olfactory difference between a chemical product that a beauty product that you might find in the drug store or a health, like a beauty store or whatever it happens to be versus something that you're going to find that living libations, what would you say are the definable things on the external side and when we can talk about what's below the surface.

Nadine Artemis: There's going to be many layers and sort of depending on what realm of products, but generally speaking, it's like everything that I'm creating is about bringing it from the inside out in any way. You know, I think of maybe a simple example could be like toothpaste. So we're all used to that minty fresh Colgate thing, but this filled with parabins and fake mint and all that. So we've got that as an option that will spur pathogens in our mouth and make the gums bleed. So you're messing with the microbiome in the mouth, or you can have something that's been where every drop of an ingredient counts, where you've got actual mint, which is helping to clear up pathogens while working with the friendly bacteria, helping to create resiliency in the gum tissue, actually, you know, antifungal, antiviral, anti inflammatory, or you know, mixed with baking soda, which is such an as simple ingredient, which our bodies actually produce and kind of wear down a bit as we go around the sun a few more times and that's a beautiful ingredient.

Nadine Artemis: That's alkalinizing, it's a regenerative. So you've got a whole bunch of other options, not just like toxic, or let's just make it neutral. No, we can do the exact same things we're doing every day and have them enhance our immune system on the skincare level. You know, we've got ingredients that are inhibiting the, the negative enzymes that destruct collagen and elastin like camomile, frankincense Rose, or, and it's with jojoba. That is one of the best oils that matches on a plant level. It Is a very similar match to our skin's own sebum. And it's not going to disrupt the skin's microbiome. Uit's going to help lymphatic blood flow. And again, anti-inflammatory antiviral and antibacterial. So there's a whole realm of beauty and possibility in these beautiful gifts we have from the botanical realms for skincare or you're 50 derivatives of petroleum, methyl parabens, which when disease, breast tissue is studying 99% of all disease, breast tissue has parabens in it. So that's where we apply your deodorant every day and get a daily micro dose of aluminum for 40 years. You can do that. Or you can work with like sandalwood and frankincense and then have them mix and meld with your fight pheromones. And then you get a gorgeous smell that when you've done your yoga or your hot yoga or your workout, you have people following you saying, Oh my God, he smells so good. So those are the the options. And I'm going over here.

Wade Lightheart: The question that comes up to mind is why do you think the whole chemical nature since way back at you're talking about to the forties or maybe before, how did that just kind of go crazy versus the natural organic side? What do you think that happened?

Nadine Artemis: I think it was sort of around the turn of the 19th century because prior to that, medicine and plant and perfumery and cosmetics, and I mean that in a broad sense, not like mascara was seen as the same thing. And in ancient cultures, the priest was also the perfumer and there was a oneness there, but then at the turn of century, what they could start synthesizing was part of it. And then there was a separation. And I think that the deep sort of philosophy behind that is the need to control nature and the randomness of nature, which is really the most beautiful thing because it's what puts the internalist in eternity. That's why I love living out here is because I just get to see all the time, the eternal illness and the nonhuman, you know, and that's, you know, so I don't look at asphalt, I'm looking at like beautiful trees and stuff, and I need that reminder all the time.

Nadine Artemis: So I feel like it was that desire to control and to regulate in the sense of what's substance on my working with. And I don't want it to vary from season to season and I need this thing that I'm going to extract from the plant to always be the same amount and every plant I'm getting. And so I feel like that's the whole thing, even, you know, at some point deep in the psyche of like even making GMOs, it's like to try and have power over the natural world so that we can have it standardize. And so we know what to expect. And so when you're making cosmetics in that laboratory realm and that commercial drugstore realm of stuff, you just want to know what you're working with and you don't want any variables. Whereas we're working with the variables, maybe every batch is a little bit different. And then our goal is to like, how can we take nature's variabilities and create consistency? And that's every day what we're doing.

Wade Lightheart: That's great. Beautifully said. So let's talk about maybe where a person generally starts. So I'm completely ignorant to cosmetic care and stuff. That's one of the reasons I had you on here because I like your products, but I don't know what I should do as a guy or what someone should do as a woman to get started in making this transition, or what are the key components that you feel that people start with as they go down this journey? Can you kind of outline what a typical person usually gets started with or what you feel they should get started with? Maybe they come in from another route, if they want to make that switch to going to a more holistic, organic, natural kind of a sensory experience and beauty enhancement program.

Nadine Artemis: Yeah, that's a good question. Well first, anything that you're probably doing, we probably have the libations version. So if you shave, we have a beautiful Zen shave. If you use deodorant, we've got the beautiful poetic pits and we've got like from I generally though just pit some bits for the soap and I don't recommend, we like soap for faces and stuff. So whether you're a male or female then if you're a guy, then you may or may not be taking care of your face or washing it. And that's okay. But if you want to start, then we have the best skin ever, which would be for men or women. That's where you start. That's what you're going to wash your face with. That's what you can moisturize your face with.

Nadine Artemis: And now again, we've gotten many variations and serums and creams, I made the best thing ever to be the one bottle to do it all. And if you want to just be so basic, you could just have that. You can even use it for shaving. You can use it as a beard oil. You could use it as an aftershave. If you're having a massage, you can bring that oil to get a massage. You can use it.So what you do is you just take a cloth and you wet it and then you squirt the oil on and you wash your face with your man or woman. If you have makeup off it, makeup on, it will remove the makeup. So it's really great. And that really gets people off of soap. So that'd be one of the biggest things to really bring skin face skin, especially cause that's usually where people have more than issues.

Nadine Artemis: Bring it back into balance. Cause that vicious cycle of using soap really messes with the microbiome. And then we're usually over exfoliating and it's usually soap with chemicals, not like a natural bar soap. And what, now that the microbiome has been studied a lot more, what researchers now see is that surfactants are left in the skin. So even if our mild foaming cleanser from the health food store, the surfactins are microscopic they're lodging themselves into the stratum corneum, which is the top, top layer of the top. So the top layer of the top layer of the skin, it's like one milliliter thick. And so they get lodged into the stratum corneum and then that messes up the food supply for the bacteria, which sounds gross, but we do need happy bacteria on our faces, you know, doing what they do. Like I think in the forties we had this sort of germ warfare.

Wade Lightheart: Sure. Well, it's gone crazy now with this lockdown stuff, they don't know like everybody's washing their hands and then antiseptic everything and they don't realize they're damaging, their microbiomes are weakening their immune systems. Can you explain to our listeners what a surf Factum is? It sounds like, Hey, Mr. Fucked I'm from London.
Nadine Artemis: So surfactants are like the things that make so soapy soap. So it's like sodium lauryl, sulfate is a very common synthetics or factor. And then you can have natural surfactants, like Yucca root in some herbs and they can kind of make us soap. So your natural bar soap is great and yes, we do need to wash our hands from time to time and just a simple bar soap. Well really any bar soap will break down the coat of the virus, sort of the wall that it contains. And like, you really can wash away viruses from your hands, like in 20 seconds. And it doesn't need to be powerful because it's literally the sub pontification of the soap that will do that. So you don't need triclosan in your soap or you don't need killers. Cause the little soap will do it, we're over clean.

Nadine Artemis: It's called the hygiene hypothesis. So forget COVID even for the past 20, 30 years, we've been living too cleanly to Lysol, you know, like the home has just been sprayed and with chemicals and you know, we're not sitting in the dirt, we're not like getting some sun. And so that's what helps build up our natural microbiome. And a lot of our practices have been taking away the microbiome information we actually need. So it's like been a little bit too sterilized. And then on top of the sterilization, we're adding in foods that literally have no prebiotics or probiotics, cause it's like, wonder bread, you know, wonder bread and my soul, isn't going to get your immune system too far.

Wade Lightheart: I've seen it so hot. So often with people who come to us from all sorts of skin conditions and they get into this hyper cleansing component and really throw off, lot of people think of their microbiome as just something in the gut. And of course at BiOptimizers, we're very focused on that, but it's also part of our skin. Can you share with us how like the best skin cream ever, or whatever, like works to support your microbiome on your face and why that's so important?
Nadine Artemis: So a little bit more about the skin's microbiome. Cause yeah, it's in our guts big, you know, in our mouths and the ear canal nose. So it's everywhere, but really a huge one is our skin. And so our general modern practices are not good for the microbiome. We want to kind of step back from those practices and really allow the bacteria to be the beautician, which again, sounds freaky, but we really do want the bacteria to take care of things they're going to. So we've been over exfoliatiing as a nation, we're scrubbing and we're leaving the skin too vulnerable. It's erasing the skin's microbiome on the face. So it's kind of like leaving your front door open on vacation. So things you can do that you've got probiotics. So taking probiotics is obviously great. You can even make mass, take honey, open some probiotic capsules and apply that to your skin to start getting the lipid barrier and the stratum corneum more balanced, but you definitely, one of the first things is stop using soap, you know, get a shower filter.

Nadine Artemis: Cause the chlorine right on the skin's microbiome. It's, you know, it's mutating the microbes and we don't want that. And you know, and then you think of all the things that we apply to skin, it's just like not a good story for the bacteria at all. So we want to allow it to thrive. Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say, and so how something like the best skin ever works is that it's working to rebalance. You're not getting in a vicious cycle where we're stripping away, lipids, stripping away with the surfactants and then it's got the essential oils in it, which, you know, depending on which one are calming and cooling and anti-inflammatory, and they're going to work with the bacteria, they're not going to be against it.

Wade Lightheart: Right. You bring up something. I think it's really important. Cause I was just talking about this yesterday. I'm out in the desert every day right now and it's super drying and I'm looking at my legs and I'm going, Oh my God, I look like a tender flake And I was like, okay, why do I need this? I said, Oh great. I'm so glad I'm interviewing Nadine tomorrow. Cause I can ask her like what is too much exfoliation on the skin. And then what is kind of like the optimal amount and then what should you be doing in concordance if you are exfoliating? Cause I think, I think that's a big topic cause I can't tell you how many ladies have told me, like you got to exfoliate. And then they get the brushes out and the scrubbers and the copper things and it feels kinda good, but I don't really know what I'm doing. So I'm like,Okay man, can you just like demystify this whole program for me?

Nadine Artemis: There are explanation moments, but like the hardcore plastic beads lasers, strip taking off layers, you know, all that. No, we got to get a little more gentle. So generally we may have these organic costs. We can use any facecloth has got kind of that texture.

Wade Lightheart: You got these new cloths, you got these new cloths though. Right? Beautiful. Organic and Hab. I love him
Nadine Artemis: Hand cut. That's good stuff. But really I also like if you got a cough at home, you can do this right away. Even if you have all of oil, like are high quality or whole, but you can start right away. And just whatever you were doing before with your face, just say goodbye. So that cloth and the oil, generally speaking, you're going to do that. That's like a little exfoliating, you know what I mean? It's just that right amount like for entirely use. But what you can also do then is take a pinch of baking soda or clay. Chew that cloth and oil, and then you can do that. And that's like going to give you all the exfoliation you need, I'm going to be very compatible to the microbiome. So on the rest of your body, I also recommend doing that too.

Nadine Artemis: It's really nice. So you can do that little bit, you know, so you've got the wet cloth or the damn cloth squirt couple squirts of oil and then a pinch of baking soda, pinch of clay. And you're gonna have to kind of do this for each section of the body. And then you go over your hands, your legs, wherever it's dry, right. When you're out, like out of the bathroom, the shower while the skin is also damp and you're just going to kind of buff your whole skin and that'll be enough exfoliation. Then you can either kind of rinse that off quickly or, and then apply another round of oil and you should have a significant change in your dryness. Maybe you have to do that a couple of times.

Wade Lightheart: Very, very cool. That's just check you have a shower filter or whatever. Oh yeah. I'm a big fan of, I get like, I'm one of these.. I'm one of these crazy people that's really not bought her on water and filtration. Cause you know, water is such a big thing and getting that, of course we live in a city, forget about it. You need like, you need 15 minutes with a shower filter. I just won't be like, yeah, me too. I go into the thing and I'm like, I got my ranch going into the hotels and then hooking things all over the place. All nine yards. Yes folks. We are crazy, but we are committed.

Nadine Artemis: Very committed. I kind of think I'm like Howard Hughes sometimes. I've been thinking about germs a long time in the books, but in the eighties I wrote, I read books like the coming plague and I read books that were based on like the antibiotic resistance that it built up. I was learning about that in 1994. And I was like, okay, we're going to be in trouble. And really nothing has really improved. So when I go out into the world from our beautiful acreage here, I really prepare and so about. Like my whole goal is to really not touch or breathe in anything. And this is how I've been for like 15 years. So with living libations, we make, we've made for years, hand sanitizers that are so potent masks. We already made them because I would wear, I got them. I designed them for when I'm flying.

Nadine Artemis: It's not about whether it's effective for the virus, but I designed them so that I could inhale essential oils, the whole flight. So you just have them. So we use these, we take vintage sheets there. So they're really colorful. And then we put an organic layer on the inside and they're washable step. And then you sprinkle essential oils all over that. And then you put it over and then you're on your flight. And you're just happy in your little realm of like orange blossoms and frankincense.

Wade Lightheart: That's super cool. Now one last thing before we get into the oral care, cause that's, I think a fascinating topic as well. I'm a dude, what do I do? I shave pretty much every day. How do I get around that whole thing? What, what are your suggestions around that? Because I know our guys, they won't ask about it. So I'm going to ask, you're saying you don't want to shave every day. Right? So I'm not one of these guys. I want to wear the foot long beard. That's kind of in Vogue right now. I'm going to look for whatever reason. So what do I do? What do I do as a guy to keep my skin good?

Nadine Artemis: Well the best can ever really like for, if you just start that very simple step as a guy, I think cause, and considering a lot of guys don't do anything or they do use soap and then, you know, and it's that harsh soap. I think that would be revolutionary. And you know, I'm not. So you put the best skin care ever. You shave with it or you guys, especially after you've done everything, you could just best get ever on your face. Like the frankincense. Now we have the Zen shave where I will use that like on my legs and stuff. I like that the Zen shave itself, that's going to be part of the copy. It's like the art of shaving, I call it beautiful, beautiful. So nineties and men love it. And you just need like about a dime for your whole beard. And men are just like, Oh my God, you know, I don't get the little, like, you know, the ingrown hair. Like they just, they love it. And it's so simple.

Wade Lightheart: So I just put that stuff. I just put that on my whiskers and can I rub it in like this cream? Yeah. You don't rub it in too much. You kind of just lightly. How did I not know about it? I don't know. Especially since you live like kitty corner, you know what, like I'm so dense. I never even thought about that. Like as a guy, you don't think about these things. It's like there's shaved stuff for me.

Nadine Artemis: Back then when I opened my store, once people got into it, they just were like, you need to cover every part of my body. So on one level where you could really take care of your body with just the best skin ever, we make it all because people are so weird and they don't want to go anywhere else. So we make like cuticle oil and you know, we make it all so we can cover every part of your body. So you don't have to go somewhere else. People don't want to.
Wade Lightheart: Super great. Let's go to oral care. For people who don't know this, like oral care is actually associated with longevity. People who have better oral health live like eight years longer than people who don't, which is kind of crazy. So can you talk about oral care? I know you've got an interesting thing. I want to talk about you. You got a tongue scraper.

Wade Lightheart: What the heck's tongue scraper and why do you use it? And then why would you say that living libations kind of oral care is superior to what someone might get just over the counter, even if they're buying something that they think is natural or healthy or whatever. Cause I think there's some misnomers out there where people say all natural or right. So what are some of the what's what's give us the whole mouth thing.
Nadine Artemis: Yeah. It is deep and that's even when I started my journey, as we talked about in the beginning and I got the health and got the female body thing and like, Oh, if you have a headache, you can do that. So I started understanding like all these different things. And then I was with the mouth, it was really hard to find research on. So I really made it my effort to go into it because again, it was easy to find natural paths. It wasn't so easy to find a dentist that was thinking differently. And it's really, really key because it's the portal to the rest of the body. Like it's the portal. So the lungs, the stomach, the brain, everything. And we really haven't been a obviously because we're in Western culture, you know, we kind of severed the head from the rest of the body and the mouth just seemed like separate from the rest of the body to even further.

Nadine Artemis: That's how I grew up just thinking your teeth come in as adult and then they're fixed and they're not alive. They're not connected to the rest of the body, but they are alive. They are connected to the rest of the body. And so a lot of the dental procedures that we've been doing for the last 40, 50, 60 years, and a lot of the things we've been using to care for our teeth are just so wrong now that we know, especially now that we know about the microbiome, it just adds a whole new layer. So there's some practices that really set us off on wrong courses. Like for decades still like root canals, mercury fillingsI needed wisdom teeth removals, which 67% of them are unnecessary. The chemicals, the fluoride, the chemicals that we've been use, the alcohol mouthwashes, not only, they're not good for dishing, they're not good for our mouth and you can easily Google this stat.Nadine Artemis: I think it's a big create 37,000 cases of oral cancer a year and it's just sitting on the shelf. So, and then the triclosan and toothpaste, or all the sodium lauryl sulfate, all of that makes your gums thinner, susceptible to bleeding. Mercury can make your gum susceptible. Bleeding can make your gums recede. So it's like the whole package has really created a vicious cycle of like, you know, all these advancements and all these products at the drug store, but never like we've never had more decay, more missing teeth, more root canals than ever before. So really, you know, 98% of Americans have periodontal disease. So the mouth is really connected. So, you know,uStephen Sinatra, the heart doctor says, you know, flossing adds seven years to your life.
Nadine Artemis: I just did an interview with dr. Gundry, the lectin doctor, and he did an experiment just on his own with flossing and then testing his cytokines with a small group. I forget what it was. But the people that flossed every day had so much less than the people that like were lossing every other day, for example. So like that's really neat, you know, amazing. So we've really got to cut it, pull it together. But the good news is, is that our mouths are alive. There is a whole alive microbiome in there, and it's just waiting for you to turn around and really the condition of your mouth, whatever state your mouth in right now, it can evolve. And it can't turn around because gum pockets, you can bring back down. There are ways to arrest cavitations you can get the alkalinity in your mouth up and then things will start improving.

Nadine Artemis: So that's sort of the backlog there. And then also we haven't been thinking about the tooth relationship to the rest of the body, cause I say it's connected, but how, and this is the really fascinating part. And I think is a really key for us to understand. And this has been proven by thousands of tests. So there was a dentist doctor, dr. Ralph Steinem, who was a practicing dentists in the fifties would get so allergy Laden in August, he couldn't practice. And he read about not eating like the white foods, so we eliminate them and he totally changed. He's like, Oh my God, I don't have allergies anymore. So he just wanted to study more because he really had this feeling that the teeth were systemically connected to the body. But back in the fifties, he was fresh off the data from the forties, which the theory of cavities is going to be acid genic.

Nadine Artemis: And that's what the dental association shows at that time. Apparently there was kind of a pivot in the forties and then they just chose asset agentic. And that means like acid and sugar on the teeth create cavities. But what we now know from these studies that show there's a dentinal lymphatic fluid. So every tooth has a lymphatic system, which is just amazing, phenomenal, and that's of course how the nutrients get to the tooth. So our teeth are like trees with roots and how trees draw up nutrients into the trunk and then out to the branches. So our teeth draw up the nutrients from the blood, into the pulp chamber. This is the center of the tooth that's removed if you have a root canal. So it draws it up. And then at that point through little chemical reactions, that blood becomes the lymphatic fluid.

Nadine Artemis: And then through the odontoblast, it gets pushed up out and onto the surface of the teeth, like microscopic sweat, this fluid. And then that coalesces with the saliva to, you know, coat the teeth and make it it's like the SAPs coming out. And then that should be the sea of alkalinity. Or if there's like a part of the tooth that needs help, like the body will go there and, and help to do it. So that's, if everything's working properly. When we have a lot of chemical exposure, hormonal stress, teen or pregnancy times, those kinds of situations, or we don't have a diet rich in fat soluble, vitamins and minerals, just sort of like a basic healthy diet, or it is high in sugar, not because it's touching your teeth, but because of what it does to your blood sugar. So what happens if that's all going on is that that dentinal lymph system will stagnate through all that chemical stress messaging or even like cell phone use, because we have the parotid glands right here, which are signaling to the hypothalamus for this whole lymphatic thing to take place. So it can become stagnant or worse. It can reverse. Then the teeth become like a straw sucking in bacteria and viruses and fungus from the oral environment into the tooth. And that is the Genesis of a cavity.

Wade Lightheart: Wow. I studied with a fellow by the name of dr. Tennant. One of his thing, he had his book Healing with voltage. He kind of goes through that. The teeth work is circuit breakers for all of the organs of the body. So they do more than just look pretty on a picture or chew your food. These are dynamic elements to the flow of electricity and nutrients and detoxification and feeding. Like they're far more dynamic than, you know, what we thought is we pulled their little tooth out and put it under a pillow for the tooth fairy. So what are some of the things that you suggest in order to have optimal oral health care in your mouth that you guys provide?

Nadine Artemis: Well, a lot of what we need to do at first is to stop doing some things. So again,stop the insanity, stop brushing with the fluoride and chlorine water, use your filter, have a bottle of spring. If you can't get normal water, then just keep a bottle of spring water in glassIf you have to buy it, then use it to wash your face and brush your teeth. Like if it's that, or this is what I do when I'm traveling, right. If I can't put my shower filter on so we want to stop using the harsh chemical toothpaste and the trickler sand. You don't want to be eating GMOs cause the glyphosates and the microbiome and then so stop. And then you do like, obviously I make a whole bunch of dental serums and stuff, but forget, you may not even know me. Just start with baking soda, sea salts. If you brush with baking soda on its own or sea salt on its own, or together for the rest of your life, you will be better off than anything at the drug store.

Wade Lightheart: That's great. So now do you guys actually share education of how to use your products and things like that? You have so many amazing products, you go into your store, it's like the cornucopia of some kind of like magic kingdom that smells great and has all these wonderful benefits. And of course someone can get lost in there. So if you could give us maybe the top three things, a person can start on their kind of move to organic beauty products, what would they be? And then if you can kind of follow up and say, how do they find out more about these? How do they learn about your company? Where do they go? All that sort of stuff?

Nadine Artemis: Sure. Well, one of the first things I think with the oral care is to either use the big sort or whatever, but we also have these dental serums, which are just so potent. So if you can even add that to your baking soda, to just really amp it up and then you take these drops and you can use a one, two drop on your two on your tooth brush with a pinch of baking soda or just one drop on its own and your brushing. And that is on its own as a miracle. And I mean the gum resiliency, I mean, every dentist is like, I don't know what you're doing, but keep it up. So that's really good. But another really key area is you put a drop along your floss, you take one drop slide along your floss, then you floss.

Nadine Artemis: And then you get those botanical Biotics up into the crevice of each tooth. And it really turns around like bleeding gums and a whole bunch of stuff. So those are little miracle workers. So I kind of think of each area like you want it. So that could be your mouth. Again, we have pace. We have swishing serums for oil pulling. We have the tongue scrapers, which is ancient Ayurvedic. You've got so much plaque but I mean, people we've got plaque on our tongues, it's like brushing your tongue, except that you might make you gag. So you can get a tongue scraper. We have a copper one can use a spoon upside down again.

Wade Lightheart: I want to know how you use your tongue scraper. Tell people this.

Nadine Artemis: You just like stick out your tongue and then it's great. It's hard to talk and do at the same time. You'll probably do it two or three times.

Wade Lightheart: Do you go to your bleed or you just, how many times?

Nadine Artemis: Just like three times. Well, you'll just see, you'll do it. And then like the less plaque and the farther back you can get. And if you've never done it before, maybe the first two times there'll be like a little rug there, then it'll get less and less and less.
Wade Lightheart: Does that enhance, enhance your taste as well?

Nadine Artemis: It does everything like there's a lot to there. Yeah. You want to get it out there? I think there's so much wisdom in the ancient art practices. So we're taking your oral care and then the best skin ever we've got, we've got a few, but there's sort of four main ones.

Wade Lightheart: I want to hear the products, please tell me what I need to go down to your store and buy from you.
Nadine Artemis: Anybody can email us any question. We will answer. We answer so many questions from health to dentistry, or like I got a root canal. We'll guide you on the right way. And we also free consulting.

Wade Lightheart: You're so passionate, so amazing.
Nadine Artemis: We got a lot to learn and we're just happy. We like to go deep with people and keep it real. Cause you know, we're not about the veneers around here. And you know, so for some people using the best skin ever will change their history of cystic acne in like a week. And they don't even have to change the diet. Cause I'm a big believer in like, well maybe there's some things, but the miracle is for some people it can just be switching and getting off that vicious cycle of like creams and Benzel peroxides and all of that.

Nadine Artemis: And for some people that might work and they may need to do something else. So we're also here to say, Hey, like maybe it's that, that and that. Cause we just really want people to feel good and just feel successful and happy in their skin and with their teeth. Cause when we can feel good, we can feel confident with that. You know, it just makes life. This is one part of life taking care of, we get the frankincense best skin ever guys or the sandalwood one. Beautiful. And then we've got the seabuckthorn best ever, which is our classic most popular. I think there's about 3000 reviews on that. And you can put that anywhere. And that's something you can wash your face. So that's a big thing for people is like, Oh, I'm going to wash my face with oil.

Nadine Artemis: Especially if they've had acne, it's like a mind thing. But it's like, the success is really great and it's a miracle for people. So there's that. And then maybe changing up your deodorant to one of the poetic pits, because that's like a major toxic area and the improvement is so fun. Like, you know what I mean? Like you've taken something very utilitarian, like your solid secret stick or whatever they're called, just you've been doing it forever. And then you get to go into this realm of like pure beauty and like smelling good people, even like, like sweating themselves. Cause then the smell that comes up throughout the day. Or if you get hot, it's only better. There's just so many options. It is hard.

Wade Lightheart: Turn your sweat into a sexy, seductive aroma. I love it. Nadine, where can people reach you? How can they find out more? I know you've got online, you've got Instagram, you've got Facebook, you got your store. Like tell us where they can find you, your company and everything that you're doing.

Nadine Artemis: Yeah. We're online www.livinglibations.Com and there's tons of articles and previous podcasts and again, you can email us questions and there's a whole little world in there. And then Instagram is my fav, that's where you'll see photos over beautiful land and headquarters. And then we've got the boutique in Venice, right on Brooks. And then all of the social media stuff.

Wade Lightheart: Nadine, you're amazing. You're doing such great work in the world. The natural holistic health beauty skin. Go down to the store in Venice. It's a beautiful place to check out and go in there or reach out online if you don't have the opportunities and Venice's all locked down right now. Get a consultation, find out more, find out about what your needs are in touch in with Nadine. She's literally a living legend in the industry and she's reviewed by the best of the best. The who's who her secrets are now revealed to you, but you got to take action on them. So check it out, livinglibations.com. Thanks for joining us today for another Awesome Health show from BiOptimizers. Be healthy and have the best skin ever. Take care.
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