Here’s why many doctors are NOT healthy…
Not all medical professionals live a healthy lifestyle. The long hours filled with stress coupled with diets supplied by hospital cafeterias and vending machines are a toxic combination.
Our guest, Alejandro Junger, knows this firsthand.
Dr. Junger’s life didn’t start that way. He was born and raised in Uruguay, and he describes his childhood as being closely connected to the natural environment. Some of his most vivid memories are of his father at the local market teaching young Alejandro how to pick out fruits and vegetables through touch and smell. His youth was spent “in the moment.”
But when Dr. Junger moved to New York for postgraduate training in internal medicine, he experienced a blast of culture shock. Suddenly, he was working long hours with little time to cook his food. Naturally, he ate from the food sources at the hospital where he worked.
Hospital food has never been known for its health benefits.
These drastic lifestyle changes wreaked havoc on Dr. Junger. As a workaholic, he lost touch with his body, mind, and spirit and became afflicted with irritable bowel syndrome, allergies, and depression.
Through a series of events along life’s road, Dr. Junger’s well-being was holistically revived – his story is incredible. Be sure to tune in and hear how Dr. Junger’s open mind led him to shift his medical career from allopathic healthcare to a medical practice heavily influenced by Eastern medicine.
Becoming a patient inside the same healthcare system he worked in was a wake-up call. Dr. Junger became a functional doctor who incorporates Ayurveda and is now an expert in gut health and nutrition.
Today, Dr. Junger is known as “The Father of Detox.” His Clean Program is followed by people worldwide, including dignitaries, A-List celebrities, and media personalities.
In this podcast, we cover:
- Dr. Alejandro’s journey from severe illnesses and prescription medications to a remarkable holistic health revival
- Why meditation plays a significant role in Dr. Junger’s healing program
- How Dr. Junger is fusing western and eastern medicine
- Dr. Junger’s powerful detox program
- What happens emotionally and psychologically after detoxification
- Why do our modern conveniences hurt our health?
- How Dr. Junger went from helping people in medical crises to instead, prevent medical problems ahead of time
Physical, Mental, & Emotional Toxicity are ONE
During this episode, here is a snippet from Dr. Junger: “In Ayurvedic medicine, thousands of years ago, they did not distinguish between mental, emotional and physical toxicity. They’re all called under an umbrella name – AMA. Some say A-M-M-A. This is a Sanskrit word that encompasses toxic elements. And they include mental, emotional, and physical factors.
Now, what is the relationship between them? Ultimately, we’re just energy. Whatever vibration your physical body is, it will attract thoughts and emotions as a means average. Are you going to help them be released?
“You need to make this available for everyone.”
Dr. Junger: “I started doing the detoxification with my friends, family, and then my patients. Over time, as I started getting lots of good results, people said, ‘you need to scale up. You need to make this available to everyone. That is when my program became a company.”
“The program is a set of things that you do. It involves food, supplements, and activity that creates the conditions for your body to work its detoxification system at maximum efficiency for optimal health.”
“Functional medicine talks about the seven systems. The communication system, hormones, nerves, cardiovascular system, transport system, defense, repair system, and immune system have to be equalized because any system will affect other systems. Imagine one system messing up the other six. Balancing them helps 60% of the people I see with all their health problems.”
“It’s about decreasing the workload of the digestive system and decreasing the need for the body to keep on the inflammatory system. By reducing the workload of the digestive system during breakfast and dinner, replacing solid meals with liquid that’s easier to digest, a shake in the morning and night and a solid meal at midday, eliminating all the foods known to cause all kinds of reactions, acidity, mucus, and eliminating allergic foods – doing this for 21 days plus certain supplements to enhance liver detoxification – the results are unbelievable.”
Dr. Junger’s message to the world is you can find health and wellness again through detoxification. You need someone to show you how to do it effectively. Dr. Junger has a proven detoxification process. Tune in and discover how to clean your body, soul, and mind in 21 days. (Or start with his 7-day program if you only have a week.)
Check out this episode – time to remove toxins and feel fantastic!
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Read The Episode Transcript:
Wade Lightheart: Good morning. Good evening. And good afternoon. I'm Wade T Lightheart from BiOptimizers with another edition of the awesome health podcast. And today we're going to talk about the importance of detoxification Wade Lightheart: Functional medicine in Ayurveda. And our guest today is Dr. Alejandro Junger MD, who is an LA based cardiologist, founder and medical director of the clean program and best-selling author of clean and clean seven. Wade Lightheart: He graduated from medical school Wade Lightheart: In Oregon way where he was born. He completed his post-graduate training in internal medicine at New York university, downtown hospital, and a fellowship in cardiovascular diseases at Lenox hill hospital. Before studying Eastern medicine in India, he is an expert in gut health and nutrition incorporating functional medicine. And [inaudible] in a combination of ancient and modern wisdom becoming a patient inside the very system he was practicing was such a shock that it started his journey in search of an alternative solution to his health problems. After his medical training, Dr. Junger studied Eastern medicine in India. He has been called the father of detox and his clean program is followed by people worldwide, including dignitaries, alias, celebrities, and media personalities. Today, he's going to sit down with us for a few minutes out of his busy schedule so that we can connect and find out his journey of both science, Western, and medical intervention and how a breakthrough moment in his introduction to Eastern philosophy allowed him to develop the clean program today. Wade Lightheart: Great Dr. Alejandro, welcome to the bile home and the awesome health podcast. Nice to be here. Yeah, it's so great. But it turns out we're neighbors and that's pretty awesome. And I want to thank you for taking the time to be here, maybe for we did the introduction, but you know, you have a unique story. You were from Uruguay and you've kind of gone through the medical model. And now you're as a vascular surgeon, you want to talk a little bit about your background and how you got into the field and what the Viva healing centers are all about. Alejandro Junger: Good short. Yes. So I was I w oh, sorry, go ahead. We'll go at it. Then. I was born in Uruguay, in, in south America and life. There was very simple, there were no supermarkets with all kinds of edible things, you know, and we, we used to go to the farmer's market around the corner from my house. My dad would choose every fruit and teach me, you know, how to touch them and smell them. And and life was very healthy by default. We used to eat as a family and lunch dinner would last for hours. And, and I, and I used to be into TaeKwonDo. It was a black bell that competed. So life was really healthy. And then I went to medical school and when I graduated medical school in Uruguay, I moved to New York and my life completely changed. Not only I was alone, I was working all day long, sometimes three days in a row on call from those times. Alejandro Junger: And, and, and I was eating from hospital cafeteria from the vending machines, from the bagel shop across the street. And when I had some time, I went to a supermarket, I was like Aboriginal and, you know, in the city, everything was like, wow, I get this box. I can put it in a microwave. And then it can, in two minutes I can get something that looks like, and even kind of smells like what my mother took all day to cook, you know, and I started gaining weight and I started experiencing allergies and difficulty digesting, which became a nightmare, bloating, diarrhea, constipation pain allergies became from seasonal to all year round or ordeal. And I couldn't function anymore. But the most concerning problem I had was depression and couldn't get out of bed. And when you look from outside on paper, my life was amazing, but yet I had this sense of doom, you know, so I started looking for a solution for my products. Alejandro Junger: And of course at the time a fellow in cardiology in one of the top centers in New York, Lenox hill hospital affiliated at that time with w w with NYU. So, so I go to my colleagues to a gastroenterologist enterologist, to a psychiatrist and into a allergist, and I took a day off and I went to you know, to want to see all these specialists and ended up the day, basically with three diagnosis and seven prescription medications. Wow. Irritable bowel syndrome, severe allergies and severe depression, antidepressants antispasmodics, anti-emetics, anti-nausea anti the, it was like a cocktail of pills that I had to take three times a day in order to function. And I am already a doctor. So I know that all these things physiologically don't correct any of the problems at the root, they just block the reactions of certain symptoms to occur. Right. So, so I know that I get home, I look at the seven prescriptions and I decided at that time, this is not for me, even though this is what I'm doing for my patients. Right? So that put me into a conflict of many dimensions. What am I doing? This is the medicine that I'm going to refuse, and I'm going to continue practicing. It didn't make sense. So basically I took off to a monastery in India because I had an experience with this meditation teacher, which showed me something that I really wanted. Wade Lightheart: What monster, if you don't mind me asking her, what teacher do you want? I mean, they don't like Speaker 3: [Inaudible], but, but, but, you know, Alejandro Junger: Honestly, I don't see why this could be harm anybody. It was the monastery of a teacher called Swami cheat, Vilas, and under, or simply known as guru Mai. Yes. I know. Wade Lightheart: I knew that is I had a friend that was a disciple of Alejandro Junger: Google, who was a disciple of Muktananda, who was a disciple of Nietzschean and there's a big linear director and then a [inaudible], but I had Wade Lightheart: A similar experience through a different lens going to India. So, yeah, sorry. Alejandro Junger: I had an experience of, of, of you know, brief episode of complete silence of the mind and therefore complete presence to a point that I've never experienced before. But, but in, in me, something new that this is really the state that we came here to be in, and somehow we lost it. You know, we lost it, we lost our path, right. And, and, and we're all asleep looking for stuff and, you know, suffering. But in that moment, I realized that this is a possibility I could live in this state that happened to me spontaneously in my interactions with these meditation teacher. And that's why I really wanted so dropped everything right. Refused like really amazing offers to join busy, important cardiology practices. Your colleagues are wondering, what are you doing? One of them, who's my mentor and teacher. And I adore one of the best cardiologists in the world. Alejandro Junger: Dr. Ronnie Shimoni in New York. He's one of the heads at Mount Sinai. I mean, he's, but even though he practices really traditional, eh, not traditional because depending modern, modern, conventional allopathic, Western medicine, and he's at the forefront, he's really open-minded, but he's hard. It's just, you know, when people, you sit with him as a patient comes and sits on the bed, he grabs your hand. And I could see the transformation of patients just by talking to him. But he, he really thought that I was wasting my talents, you know, by doing all these things. But then later years later, we met again and I showed him the, the power of what I've learned actually with, with his own sister who was having problems that she couldn't get resolution for. Right. And and then he, yeah, he opened his eyes. Oh my God, you're onto something. Right. So every now and then he talks to me about it. But but yes, that's what, that's what happened to me. I ended up in India really going there to learn how to silence my mind become fully present. I learned a bunch of things. How Wade Lightheart: Long did that take you from that diagnosis to kind of come to the conclusion that you're going to go to India and then, and then how long was that till you kind of came back into the Western world, if you will. Alejandro Junger: So, so I didn't understand what was happening until my experience with grow. Right. And because I never had the power of completely becoming the observer and really something that's within you, but, but also it's more than the thinking mind and the ego. And then, you know, so through my experience with her, when she just touched me, you know, something happened suddenly I understood that everything that I was, the thought, thought that I was thinking, I wasn't thinking, right. It was just happening, but I was identified with it. So me meet me, you know, and the moment that I saw that I said, this is my way out of jail. Yeah. So I've been digging the tunnel, you know, to go to live just as the observer, but then life happens and you realize your limitation and the fact that this is probably a battle as many, too many for the rest of my life. Wade Lightheart: Yeah. That's so true. I think some people, what's the old saying before enlightenment chop wood carry water after enlightenment, chop wood carry water. And of course, when you get these kinds of peak experiences, that initiate transformation is often a period of chaotic as the kind of the cup gets stirred up. And then as things settled and there's a new place and Alejandro Junger: Maslow called it a spiritual crisis. Right. Wade Lightheart: And so where did things settle out for you F upon your return? What, what, Alejandro Junger: So upon my return, I had to look for a job, right. But I could only be hired in a, in an underserved area because I didn't have a green card. I had come here with a student visa that had expired when I graduated as a cardiologist. So I looking for a job. I found an underserved hospital in Joshua tree. Wade Lightheart: Wow. What a great place to land. Yogananda's the girl out here, I was buying this, I've spent a lot of time in Joshua tree to do his final writing. It's called Alejandro Junger: The high desert medical center, right? Yeah. And, and the doctor that hired me to work there also made me, or asked me to work in Palm Springs, in Rancho Mirage, in, in desert, hot Springs, in, eh, in India, this whole area, that whole area. Right. So I was basically for four years running around like a chicken with no head following my beeper from hospital to hospital, putting pacemakers and intravenous lines and, you know, and running intensive care units. And then every advancement or every progress of whatever you want to call the, the, in the, in the latter of being right, being present and being healthy and be, you know, started deteriorating again, because now I was backing hospital cafeteria. I was running like a chicken with no head, right. Until one day, a friend of mine had who I had seen 10 days before in his usual bloated inflamed, red, gray eye, you know, state comes to Palm Springs, knocks on my door by surprise. Alejandro Junger: When I opened the door, I was like, wow, what did you do? His eyes were white, clear. His skin was glowing. And all the redness, you know, I had gone and he was more present. Yeah. Not fully, but more than before. Right. So I'm like, whoa, why, what do you do? Yeah. He said, I went to a detox center, Jesse. I didn't know you were on drugs. He said, no, no, not that kind of detox come. And he took me to a place in Palm Springs. He said, we'll do an hour big, big detox center that people come from all over the world. It's called a week hair spa. I became friends with the owner who is from Argentina. So we speak the same language. And and I became really curious about what she was doing, because for me, nothing speaks louder than results. Right. And when you see people that get results, then I want to find out what they're doing. Speaker 3: So excellence. Alejandro Junger: So I saw all these people there and spoke to them. And one, you know, had an auto immune problem. It had been coming there for three years and that life had completely changed. And the other one had this and that and cancer and who, you know, what's going on. So she said, why don't you come and stay here for a week and do the program is I can be here for a week, but it can come before and after work every day. So I did that. And in 10 days, my depression was over. My writable bowel syndrome was a memory of the past and my allergies were completely gone and I lost weight. And I looked and felt 10 years younger to the point that everybody wanted to do know what I was doing at that time. The hospital where I was working in Palm Springs had just hired a world, renowned heart surgeon to create kind of like a Mayo clinic of, of, of the desert. Right, right. Dr. Steven Gundry Speaker 3: On the podcast recently. And he Alejandro Junger: Was, you know, he was there because he was w w he's ambidextrous. He operates on adults and kids. He invented a way of stopping the heart. They hired him. We joked about the $6 million man. Right. They paid 6 million nurseries transferred from Loma Linda. And he became interested. He said, well, what are you doing? So that's how he started all this, you know, all this word by looking at me, talking to me and a few things that I showed him. He started getting interested. His wife ended up going to weaker and getting rid of her chronic problems. And then he opened his eyes and then his mind is brilliant. So he took it, you know, but yeah, eh, we, we we met at that time. So that was my, that was my, my path, you know, through this woman, I learned the concepts and practices of detoxification. But since I was learning in, in this place, there was a spa and just juices and colonialism. It wasn't a little hokey pokey, you know, but you cannot, cannot argue with results, right. Since I hadn't learned all that in medical school, it felt weird to me. And this language that they use, you know, I was little, I was reading books, I rise and shine and, and this and that, and it was like, give me a break, all the tree, hugging people. It might Speaker 3: Just scientific, scientific Alejandro Junger: Training training on mine, but yet it made so much sense. Many of the things that five years before would have been complete rubbish to me, I was like, oh, wait a minute. Just rings. True. You know, started on that path. Steely was a little bit of a mystery to me. How can these things be happening? How can these people be put up? So I started experimenting and then one day I ended up in the, at the Institute for functional medicine, doing the, the a F M C B applied functional medicine in clinical practice. Right. And then I understood, wait a minute. I already know that's happening here because I learned it in medical school. You know, what I didn't learn is put these things together to explain it in a different way. And I want to explain what I'm talking about. I had learned about the kidney, about the liver, about the lungs, about the lymphatic system. Alejandro Junger: I had learned about all these things in detail. Right. But I never thought of it as all of these belonging to a bigger system, that functional medicine called the biotransformation and elimination system. Right. Detox system. So yeah, these are all things that I knew, but never put together. Right. So, so what functional medicine did to me was we all the ma the, the knowledge that I had learned in medical school and all the practice, all the experience that I had, it just reordered my library and made me see connections that I wasn't seeing before. Right. And through understanding that I became the doctor that I am today, how beautiful Wade Lightheart: Especially considering, you know, coming from sort of a natural living environment, it's things where everything is simple. And then going into the complexities and the compartmentalization is required of a specialist running into your own challenges, coming back, getting outside of that beyond the mind, or the meticulousness coming back, and then tying these two things, seemingly unrelated into a unified picture. What was that like for you when the kind of the whole light bulb went off? You know, you're seeing Alejandro Junger: More than one light bulb. It's at 10,000, right. Connecting one, you know, and then one day you wake up and you realize that your world view has gotten, has gotten more sophisticated, right? Yeah. Change. But, but you still understand what you understood before, but now you added layers of dementia, right. The connect, everything. So it wasn't like a hard moment. The high moment was when I slapped my chest. Right. And, and what I know now is I became fully present. So I had a preview, a sneak preview of enlightenment. Yes. Yeah. And then that takes a lifetime of the state in which I imagine Buddha Christ, Moses, you know, all these spiritual giants must've been in. Right. In which you had that at that moment, there was no, there was no, I know right now I'm having an experience of sitting with you. I'm moving my hands because I'm expressive. Alejandro Junger: Right. You're very quiet and listening and engaged. Right. But I know right now that all this is happening through my Oregon's and I'm looking at you through my eyes and speaking to you with my mouth. Right. I'm listening to you with my ears. But at the moment, when I went into that state, the what, the, there wasn't any of that, correct? Yeah. It was, it was, you know, it's very difficult to explain, but I was everything. I wasn't just this. Yes. I was everything and everybody, and there was no present past in the future. It was just now, you know, whatever, like what you read in books, you know, the only thing that exists is the present moment, Speaker 3: You know, transition. I had Alejandro Junger: Not understood that at all until I had the experience. Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't even know if it's understandable. It's not understanding. Alejandro Junger: It's like, it's like the taste of a story. How can I explain it to you? Wade Lightheart: Yeah. And now of course, so many people think they're eating a strawberry, but a really aren't, which is another, the woke movement. It's very interesting. Alejandro Junger: Yeah. The, the problem is that that humans are getting smarter and smarter and connecting more things. And there's more information now. So we talk about things more, more, eh, accurately and convincingly, and, you know, but I don't care how much you talk about it. If you ain't in the state yourself, you're not going to be able to explain it to me Wade Lightheart: Beautifully said, which leads you to your career now, which is a fusion of the scientific medical westernized training with this Eastern philosophical realization and the integration of these two processes. Can you a little bit about what you're doing today to kind of service the world in unifying these what seem to be opposing aspects, which from a different perspective are synergistically fitting together. Alejandro Junger: Yeah. So, so from the moment in which I had that experience of a sneak preview, I I've been working at times more intensely at times less intensely at times row. But, but in, in the 10 years, eh, last 10 years, I could say that more than not, I've been working on myself, you know, becoming more present right. In different ways right now, as that happens, my interests go changing. Right. So where I become interested in is different. I becoming, I became interested in the power of plants, not only nutritionally and supplementally, but also spiritually, right? So I've been exploring and experimenting with Iowasca what Choma mushroom new name it. Right. So, so I find things kind of like that heal me. And then I share, right? The ethno Wade Lightheart: Botanical movement is pretty extraordinary and its historical aspects, but it's now caught the interest of modern man, because there's a malaise, which I think you beautifully illustrated permeating the culture with all the technological innovations, it seems as if this human physiologic physiology is incapable of keeping up to the, it exposes the flaw within consciousness itself, which expresses as dis-ease in the body, in the mind and physicality and the emotions and the heart, whatever you want to look at that. Alejandro Junger: I also, I also understand from my own perspective, that when you look at the world today and you see the, the pandemic of chronic disease, chronic illness of inflammation, cancer, auto immune disease, brain fog, diabetes, high blood pressure, cardiovascular problems. This is what's killing humanity. But more than that, this is what's making humanity suffer. My mom is in the hospital right now. She's been there for two weeks in an intensive care unit or a ventilator. I know what people are going through. You know, I, this is my mama is the love of my life, you know, who gave me life and I owe her everything. And I, as a doctor can have very little influence of what's happening inside of a hospital that I used to run before. Right. So, yeah. So what I do is I go there, they don't let me now because she's in COVID isolation. Alejandro Junger: Right. Even though this is not a case of COVID, she had a heart attack with a valve rupture. Right. and I talked to the nurses and I, and I tell them about my mom and I showed them pictures of my mum when she's, you know, in all her glamour. So because, because I know that in an intensive care unit, especially when there's an elderly per person, you know, they get a little neglected because there's younger people that you want to keep alive and stuff. Right. But I want to show them, you know, so this is spiritual work that I've done doing anyways. What I understand now from a big perspective about the disease of the planet, right? And I'm going to give you a an illustration because I think people, when they think about it, this way is very useful. I believe that planet earth is like an animal in itself is alive animal. Alejandro Junger: And, and from here inside, you see area, it's a building, that's a person, that's a dog. You see from our side, it's kind of like just an animal, right? Yourselves. They don't think of that of themselves as two different individuals. You know, they think of a skin and the skin thinks of itself as a human. The planet is an animal. The river are the arteries. The forests are the lungs. The, you know, the water is that I'm very fluid. And and the humans and all the other animals are cells and tissues of, of this office plants. So you and I are like to the planet, like two red blood cells are to you, right? And now red blood cells have a function. They carry oxygen from low, from high concentration, places to low concentration places capturing release it. Right. We as sales from this planet have a function, right. Alejandro Junger: Which is the transformation of energy. Yeah. We get energy from our impressions, right? When you see what you smell, what you touch, what you write, what you taste, you, we get energy from oxygen, right from the air. So first floor, second floor. And then from the food third floor, and these three types of energy collide into your physiology, which is your experience in life, depending on what experience you're experiencing or what state you're in, it's going to be very beneficial or very per judicial for the planet. Right? So we are like red blood cells that are not letting the oxygen go, and we're not transforming these energies into peace and, and presence. We are transforming angel, greed and anger, right? So, so the planet is sick. One of itself, you know, imagine if your red blood cells are not doing its function, the whole body is sick. Alejandro Junger: The planet has a very important kind of cell. That's not doing its function. It's actually kind of cancer, rising and metastasizing and killing everything else around. Right. So, so how are we doing that through the comfort comfortable life that we created, which makes it toxic, right? We're not eating food anymore. We eating edible products, cosmetics, architecture, everything is contributing to a bombardment of chemicals. And there is a system in the body that can deal with that. The detoxification or biotransformation and elimination system from functional medicine lingo, but just like, you know, how to exercise in a certain way and eat in a certain way so that your biceps grows, which we were talking about before. The there's a way in which you do things and eat things in which your detoxification system gets moving stronger. Right. But we in our lifestyles are doing the opposite. Alejandro Junger: So our detoxification systems in general, as a population, as a species is under working blocked, you know, by lack of nutrients, by lack of energy, because when you're always digesting, detoxification goes down and digestion consumption of energy goes up, right? So we, we are putting our detoxification system because of our lifestyle in, in, in a big pickle, why are we throwing more and more toxins? Right. And we have to do that. We have to teach people that there's a detoxification system, how to enhance its function. And at the same time we get need to get rid of all the toxins. Right. So that I see as one of the biggest problems of humanity today, that's why I decided to write a book about it and created a company to provide people with the tools needed to do a detox program that, that really works because, you know, not all detox programs are created. Right. Right. Wade Lightheart: So tell us about that program. How did you come about it? Who's it for what's its primary prints. Alejandro Junger: So when I was sick right. During my fellowship, until until much later, maybe 15 years later I was looking for the way to get back. Right. Once I was back, I said, I wish I would have known these things. Yeah. Yeah. Cause Wade Lightheart: There's a lot of experimentation there, hundreds, Speaker 4: Hours, places, and thousands of dollars in traveling and thousands of miles flown, you know, I know that and people mad and, and things that didn't work. So once I said, oh my Alejandro Junger: God, I know. I know because I started doing with my friends, my family, and then my patients. And then once I was like, I, and it was like finding a magic wand once I started like getting all these results and people coming and then some of them said, listen, you need to scale up. You need to make this available. That's that's when the, my, my program became a company. Right. So tell us about the program. The program is a, is a, is a set of things that you do, right. Having to do with food supplements activity that create the conditions for your body to work its detoxification system at maximum efficiency for, for optimal health. Right? Because I believe that the, you know, functional medicine talks about distinguished seven systems, right? The communication systems, hormones, or nerves, the cardiovascular system, or transport system, the, the hormonal or communication system, the, the defense and repair system, the immune system, the detoxification system. Alejandro Junger: And they all have to be kind of equalized because any system will affect other systems. Right. What happens is imagine that there are six trying to get, and this one is here. Everything is going to be messed up. Right. So, so just doing that helps 60% of the people that I see with all their problems, their health issues. Right, right. So I said, how can I make this more available? And I'll make it simple. Right. So basically is it's about decreasing the workload of the digestive system and decreasing the activation and need of the body to keep on the inflammatory system, right. By reducing the workload of the digestive system during breakfast and dinner, replacing the solid meals with a liquid meal, that's easier to digest eliminating from the shake in the morning and shake at night and the solid lunch at midday, eliminating all the foods that are known to cause all kinds of reactions, acidity, mucus, mucus, forming a fat retaining, you know, there's many things that we eliminate also allergenic foods, right. And then doing that for 21 days, plus certain supplements to enhance liver detoxification like silymarin for for to plant some good bacteria in your God as probiotics know. So there's a few supplements that also help the results are just unbelievable. Wade Lightheart: That's beautiful. And how long have you been using this program and bringing it out to your class? So Alejandro Junger: We opened the company 11 years ago. Can you share the name of the company clean the clean program? That's the name of my company? The clean program now has a 21 day flagship program, which is known all over the world. The book has been translated to 26 languages. Yeah. And and this program is really transforming people's lives. When you buy the book, you don't need to buy any supplements. I tell you how to go to the supermarket and never do anything by yourself, but a lot of people cannot do that. Right. So then we also sell a kit, right. That helps you with the shirts simplifies, make it easier. Of course I say, oh, well, we were doing products. You know, you're talking about any one product. Well, this is better than the crap you buy now. And this is just in the hope that it's a step towards a life in which you will value these things and go to the supermarket and prepare your own food. Right. So that's, that's what we do with the company. How Wade Lightheart: Often does do you think I would say if you're looking at a 21 day clean program versus maybe a what's happening on a day to day basis, how much focus or attention does the average person need to put on detoxification in their lives? Alejandro Junger: Well, see, I, I wanted to be able to give an introduction to the most people possible. So I don't make it very strict. Right? There's a list of foods that you can and cannot eat. And there is a shake in the morning and a shake at night in some supplements, if you do just that you will get results, right? If you in the middle also do some sauna and maybe a little bit of a stretching and massage, you know what I mean? There's always ways of enhancing detoxification, not only at the level of the body, but also has an emotional and mental level with meditation or, or activities that put you in a meditative state. Right. Speaker 5: How Wade Lightheart: One thing I've noticed and I'd love to have your insight working with so many people as you have is the connection between the detoxification of the physical body and then what happens maybe in the emotional or psychological. Alejandro Junger: So this is really interesting. I think you're going to dig this idea right. In Ayurvedic medicine, thousands of years ago. Yes. They did not distinguish between mental, emotional and physical toxicity. In fact, they're all called under an umbrella name, AMA AMA, right? Some people say a M M a, this is a Sanskrit word that, that encompasses toxic elements. Right. And, and they have mental, emotional, physical. Now, what is the relationship between, you know, ultimately we're just energy, right? So whatever vibration your physical body is, you know, in, in as a mean average, you know, it's, it's going to attract thoughts and emotions. Are you going to help them be released in generated by whatever machinery it is? That's doing it in the body? Would you, would you, Wade Lightheart: Would it be fair to say that it's almost as if it's an electromagnetic attraction at one level, at one level. And one of the things I think a lot of people in the west have a hard time grasping is that we're so focused on the biology. The physiology is a viewpoint. You know, you're this much water, you're this much minerals. And then the systems worked like this. Yet, if you dive into the physics of it, it's mostly empty space and going to go down deep enough, it's simply waves. And so what are deep and deeper, nothing. Right? So, so we're, we're, we're mostly nothing. What's your waves, which show up as physiology, which feels as thoughts and emotions, and we can feel and go and talk about them. And I know how I feel. Maybe I have a great thought. I feel joyful. I feel like, what is love? Like what, why do it, why does the sunset over the beach look beautiful? Why do I call that beautiful? What is, what is going on inside my physiology that is resonating with something 97 million miles away. When Alejandro Junger: You start understanding those things, then you start understanding the influence of other forms of energy, right? Like for example, the power of plants as medicine, right? It's because you're not only eating the vitamin and the mineral and the fiber and the Euro, you eating an intelligence, eating and eating a, a frequency of vibration that then will inform your frequency of vitamins. This there's, this, there's this phenomenon of resonance. If I scream very loud and I, this, which is solid, will try to vibrate at the same frequency and it will shatter the plan that's in your blood will affect your genes in different ways by closing their expression or opening their expression, or modulating, energetic, a frequency, a effect that we don't think of. We only think of a vitamin Speaker 4: In the middle, the phytonutrient antioxidants, right? But the power Alejandro Junger: Of plants is really the Pranic power of plant, the intelligence, the information it brings in the form of vibration that really changes your physiology. Wade Lightheart: And as an amateur student of are you Vedic medicine. Now you had the opportunity to sit with a traditional, are you Vedic farmer? I was actually just talking about the other day and he was explaining to you, we were at a conference in Indiana and there was all these area, Vedic practitioners who didn't look very healthy and he came up and he says, well, the problem is they're not practicing. Are you better? Well, I said, well, that's all they've been talking about. He goes, no, if you go back to the original text and you go back to the growing of the plant and the planting of the season and all the stuff is, is the plant root needs to be at least six feet deep in order to get the energetic component. And they're only going at three feet. So they're not really practicing. Are you that Alejandro Junger: 10 years ago, a friend of mine introduced me to somebody in India who opened a company in India because they were looking for a powerful, very plant, but they were finding that nobody was planting them and harvesting them in the way that it should be done until he found an all very master medicine master, who was also an MD who he actually, he planted plants. Everybody planted for his patients in his garden because he couldn't find any, any other plant that had the potency. So he, so, so this guy convinced this doctor to take the know-how and expand it. And that's how this company, organic India was created. Wow. So I am now partners with them. They own half of my company clean and w and I am their, their medical ambassador. And, and we are collaborating because for example, I came up with a seven day program, the 21 day program, which is based on functional medicine. Alejandro Junger: Then I added because I wanted to accelerate. Not everybody can do 21 days. I wanted to get, give people results in seven days. But if you do it the regular way, seven days is when you feeling the worst, even maybe worse than before and before. So I wanted to give people a resource and seven days to inspire them to continue. Right? So I, what I did is I mixed elements of Ayurvedic medicine and intermittent fasting. And in seven days I get incredible results. So that's my clean seven program. And I wrote a book about it too. And I wrote a book about in this book about how all these concepts of iReady medicine, functional medicine, intermittent fasting work together. Yeah. Wade Lightheart: Beautiful. I know there's a great tradition in detoxification through Indian philosophy poncho karma. And of course the one that I'm really looking forward to working out the principles from a Western perspective of course, is the [inaudible]. I think it's, kalpa kalpa, which is the complete regeneration of tissue, which was practiced at what was considered the golden ages of India. I read about it. And you want to Yogananda's book, it's a small Lexar, and I've been fascinated with the conceptual ideas of that for life. I love the fact that you've been able to find partnership with product quality. Cause that's something that, with BiOptimizers that we're meticulous about, about people will say, well, why is this product cost a dollars when it's what looks like the same as only 20 well it's because of how it was grown, how it was harvested, how it was stored, how is the extracts were done? How would those Speaker 4: Takes more manpower, Alejandro Junger: More takes? For example, they don't borrow anything in plastic bottles. It's all glass bottles, right? Because Arabs lose potency. So that is also a little more expensive. Yeah. It adds up at the moment to really find the great stuff sometimes, or most of the times it's a little more expensive, but with dissemination and changes in the markets, you know, I think that they, they, they may come down and it's more people start using them. Wade Lightheart: My mentor who transformed me with my digestive health issues after the Mr. Universe contest is what got me into this. And I gained 42 pounds of fat and water, like weeks, and then rediscovered and rebuild my digestive system 20 years ago, it's using enzymes detoxification, herbs, probiotics. These two, his name was Dr. Michael O'Brien and he was famous for helping Bernard Jensen recover from metastic cancer when he was 85 years old and they were friends. And so he instructed me and got us, Matt I on that pathway. And what was interesting is I had a high level of external performance capabilities in the world of, Hey, you look a certain way. You're able to do this. You have this aesthetic recognition yet. I had missed this whole internal medicine piece. And once I got it, once I understood it, and the only way to understand it is to experience it, otherwise it is here. Alejandro Junger: Yeah. And listen for, for bodybuilders. You know, they, they, I think bodybuilders build and have an incredible ability to search for these things. Right. And I, I, I share with you, because I think you got to dig this. There was a point in which I was depressed and looking for solutions and solo doctors, and, you know, went to the president. I went to a personal trainer or what a six pack. And I think, what do I need to do to do that? Wade Lightheart: I've had that question many times, right. So, Alejandro Junger: So he's like, he's like, well, you have to forget about everything. And then he started introducing me. And then he started introducing you to amazing reading, like Dan Dushane and all Speaker 4: That, all like I did with hormones and stuff and how Alejandro Junger: It's because of him that Quito came to, to, to be so, you Speaker 4: Know, the whole [inaudible] diet. And he put people in ketosis because he knew that decompensated diabetics type one diabetics that went into ketoacidosis where the leanest people in the world, that was an observation that he had. And then, so we wanted to re recreate that, that, you know, and, and the results that he got Alejandro Junger: Was incredible. So I, to show you what I was able to do with Speaker 4: All that information, amazing. I can look exactly like you in that picture, but but check it out. Alejandro Junger: So I know in my flesh Speaker 4: What it is to have the discipline, to eat Alejandro Junger: In a certain way to do certain exercises. So I already had the experience of transforming one Speaker 4: System of my body into Alejandro Junger: A much better functioning system, by eating in a certain way, and doing certain things, the same concept when you apply to any system, Speaker 4: Correct. You know, and the detoxification Alejandro Junger: Is no different. That's why I get a little bit when all these Harvard trained nutritionist Speaker 4: And they say, oh, detoxification, that's a fad. It's useless. The body already knows what to do. And you know, that's like telling the body building work, oh, the whole muscle. It's a, it's a fat, your body already knows what to do. You don't need to go to the gym. Right. Alejandro Junger: Detoxification is actually what could save humanity in this, in this moment, learning how to detoxify yourself and enhance your detoxification system. And at the same time, detoxifying the planet. Wade Lightheart: Yeah. That's the hallmark drove ignorance is hubris and that, oh, I know that. Well, do you have a question, Alejandro Junger: But if it's, if it's, I know that great, but if it's Speaker 4: That area is, is, is a quack because of what I'm going to tell you, and what you're telling me is based on what, on, on a class in Harvard, Alejandro Junger: Have you seen people through detox programs? Have you, have you witnessed people, hundreds or thousands of people doing these things? No. So then don't know. Speaker 3: Correct. And I think, Wade Lightheart: You know, we're at this crisis in the Western world and technological innovation has grown exponentially, making our lives extremely comfortable in some ways, but we weren't designed to be comfortable. Right. Alejandro Junger: And our physiology works best when, when going through all kinds of levels of comfort. So that, so, so you become nimble, right? Instead of stiff, our metabolism is stiff and that's why people have Speaker 4: Hypoglycemia hyperglycemia when they don't eat for half an hour, right. Alejandro Junger: Nothing's going to happen to you. You need, you need more flexibility in your metabolism. You need to have periods in which your digestive system isn't doing anything. And then periods in which you do is digesting. Right. But we don't, we live, we live the same temperature, same humidity. We fuddle with our atmosphere to make it comfortable. And therefore our body suffering. How do you view Wade Lightheart: These two things? And I think the problem can coordinate, and that is your clients who's comes to you. And is that usually triggered with crisis and is really our representation of crisis. Maybe we should look at the cashew script in China, in Japan, where they write crisis and opportunity within the same two levels. Do you, is most people come to you in a state of crisis? Alejandro Junger: They, they used to. Right. But but you know, I, I run intensive care unit. Wade Lightheart: It's the biggest crisis as it gets, Speaker 4: There is no more crisis than that, right. Almost all the other way, right. To, to Alejandro Junger: Preventing those crises and, and, and teaching people. So, so it's a different, it's a different, eh, it's a different game altogether, right? Because here you're there and poking them and putting things and saving their lives. Many too many right here. They don't need to do anything unless they want to, you have to inspire them. You have to, you know, and, and, and the good thing is, is you get enough good results that people are going to come correct. To wonder. And then at the entrance, I want to say, Hey, listen, you're only allowed if you're going to do what I tell you, if not, don't make me waste my time. Don't waste your time. I'll give you a couple of other doctors to go to. So then I, then I, then I started, pre-selecting my PA. And I know that most of the people that come to me are ready to do something because you're right. People don't do anything until they get the eviction notice. Right. Speaker 5: Beautiful. That's so poetically said, Speaker 6: What are you? I know we want to be mindful. Can we wrap it up? Yeah. Wade Lightheart: So where can people find about your program, how to get at it in and engage in Speaker 4: This program? Dot com is Alejandro Junger: The website for my company. Then I only Instagram doctor Dr. Junger. I have a Junger I'm on Facebook. I'm on Twitter. I I've written four books translated to 26 languages, you know, clean, clean gut, clean, eat, and clean seven. Wade Lightheart: Beautiful. Thank you so much for joining us today. I want, I have a 50 million questions. I hope we get to hang out here. Alejandro Junger: Thank you for inviting me. I would love to hang out with you and then maybe Speaker 4: The next time you come, you come for a smoothie in my house. It's a good deal. It's a really, literally five minutes.